[ SECRET POST #1963 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1963 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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17. [TRIGGER WARNING for suicide]

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18. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]

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19. [TRIGGER WARNING for abuse/rape? I think. better safe anyway]

[Rihanna, Man Down]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #280.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[kikkyo.livejournal.com]

First off, you really needed to use another font. Because sheesh...

Okay. Except that Bella and Edward's relationship is creepy. I'm not jealous here. Not fat and ugly, as you so eloquently put it (and you should feel ashamed of yourself for the body shaming). Have been in relationships and had plenty of guys pursue me at different times through the years. I have enough experience to know what I want in a significant other, and I wouldn't choose to be in a relationship similar to Bella and Edward's.

I don't hate Twilight tbh, but there are numerous things about it that annoy me and I won't deny that one of those annoying factors is the anti-feminism. It's there, I personally think it's pretty obvious and there are plenty of in-depth articles about it if you care to google them. As far as I'm concerned though, it's just a book series and it's fine with me if you choose to ignore those things in favor of enjoying the story, plenty of people do, and I'll go as far as to say that for me the creep-factor actually added a little something to the story since I've developed this headcanon that Edward was actually setting Bella up for his own purposes and preying on her to an extent. My problem isn't with the relationship itself, but how it's portrayed by Meyer. But then again I have a problem with her prose, dialogue and character development too. xD

I do find it pretty darn problematic that OP is not only denying that there is a problem but actively judging others for acknowledging it. And not even bothering to post anon here, because lol, no nerve struck. I'm not all that bothered by the idea that somebody might read this and think that I sound too feminist for them, therefore must have certain physical traits. :P

[joshua-glass.livejournal.com]

All of this. Hell, I've been a fan myself of some book series' that were/are probably problematic if I bothered to look in depth into them, but I acknowledge these series' as my fluff readings and wouldn't get bent out of shape if someone came up and told me All The Things Wrong with that series.

[spicandspan89.livejournal.com]

MTE. Also, your headcanon that Edward was manipulating Bella is creepy, yet strangely compelling. o_O

I'm not all that bothered by the idea that somebody might read this and think that I sound too feminist for them, therefore must have certain physical traits. :P

IKR? So... feminist = fat and ugly now? Yeah, okay.

[punkpinkpower.livejournal.com]

Actually, new studies are showing that younger generations (currently 20 and under) are afraid to identify as feminists because of the negative connotations of the word. People like anon seem to totally believe that just saying the word makes you an ugly, miserable, fat, undesireable woman. Talk about misunderstanding history.

I'm a feminist, and I hate twilight, and anon is silly.

[spicandspan89.livejournal.com]

Ah, yes. Yeah, one of my profs once went on a tangent about the hypocrisy of women who disparage feminism, while at the same time enjoying the very freedoms those feminists earned for them. It certainly made me think twice about not identifying as a feminist. Now I say, feminist and proud! I used to love Twilight as a teen, while recognizing it as escapism, but now I can't unsee how screwed up it is and it has lost all enjoyment.

There seems to be a misconception that all feminists are angry, man-hating fanatics who want to usurp men's rights and presumably ~take over the world~. It's really unfortunate. Having never taking any women's studies courses (only one sociology and two anthropology courses), I don't know enough about it to speculate why. Any ideas?

[(Anonymous)]

I'd say it's because there's a small minority of feminists who ARE angry man-hating fanatics and want to usurp men's rights. Feminism has the same problem as every other political belief; the loudest supporters and the ones that stick out the most are always the ones no reasonable person would want to be associated with. It's no different from the stereotype that all democrats are snooty hippies and all republicans are bible-thumping homophobes (at least, I think those are the stereotypes. I'm not American, so sorry if I got that wrong).

[spicandspan89.livejournal.com]

Thank you, that makes a lot of sense: the vocal minority making everyone else associated with them look bad. I'm not American either (Canadian), but those stereotypes sound spot-on to me.

Speaking of stereotypes, this reminds me quite a bit of this documentary, called The Most Hated Family in America by the BBC’s Louis Theroux. Warning: don't watch if you have issues with blood pressure. Even the Bible-thumping Republicans hate these people.

[punkpinkpower.livejournal.com]

Well, a great place to start delving into the ideas of "why" for feminism and women is the film Miss Representation. It talks about the way media treats sexuality, pretty interesting.

To summarize, though, feminism operates on the idea that Patriarchy, the societal structure which many cultures use in which men are considered the highest form of authority, is flawed. Indeed, Patriarchy only values women as child bearers, and for many years has given men (notably white upper-middle class men) a superiority complex.

So the Feminist movement of the 70’s and 80’s in America was really all about breaking away from Patriarchy, with women leaving their homes, breaking gender roles, and acknowledging a lot of the problems with the way society treated women. A lot of issues were addressed.

But. The people governing the nation at that time were terrified of the feminist movement because they believed that bringing down patriarchy would be, essentially, the end of the world. So a huge, well funded, mass media campaign began to demonize women and feminists, and is still in effect today.

That’s feminism in the USA, mind you, and not everywhere else. Each country has their own feminist issues, and some are better than others, but I’m only well versed enough to spout this out on American history.

So, the fear of feminism or feminists was completely produced by the media, in an irrational way. Traditional gender roles were re-introduced through toys and marketing strategies, and this generation of women hears nothing about any of the women’s movement’s until college, and, as you mentioned, maybe not even then. At most, they get one line in a text book that says “Women *were given* the vote”, which both disempowers women and patronizes them.

Feminism is not all that radical of a belief structure, but many young people believe it is. These misconceptions were the intended outcome of the conservative counter reaction to the feminist movement. Changing that picture is always difficult.

[cloudsinvenice]

Thanks for this. I knew there was a backlash against feminism (or rather, their perception thereof) by many younger people, but I hadn't realised that it was so much the product of a conservative media and culture actively trying to reinforce traditional female roles and make feminism look unpalatable in comparison. I know you're just talking about the US, but it would be interesting to know if it was also true in other places (I'm in the UK myself)... wouldn't surprise me at all.

Heck, right now we've got a government banging on about the Big Society (translation: women should simultaneously get the hell out and work instead of staying home to raise kids, AND take on caring roles so the government can justify impoverishing elderly and disabled people), and an alarming resurgence of the "abortion is eeevil and abortion providers are sinister in their attempts to lure women into aborting!"

So I guess we're there after all. :/

[punkpinkpower.livejournal.com]

Well, one of my favorite feminist theorists Kate Millett talks about patriarchy in the sense that any time it's threatened ANYWHERE there will be a backlash against what theatens it. So since many places around the world are governed by patriarchy, including the UK, Canada, most countries in the middle east, and so on, there have been movements that have been both unsuccessful and successful at breaking down some barriers. Look at the women in Saudi Arabi fighting for their right to a drivers license. Or the women protestors in egypt who were tortured and raped by the new government for being protestors, and who spoke out about it despite the social and cultural consequences of doing so. Anywhere patriachy is, you can find women who try to change it and people who try to silence them. It's just the way patriarchy works. I think there is only one surviving matriarchal clan in the world now, but I'm not sure where it is.

The point is that yes, feminism happens everywhere at different times and beats, but with so many women around the world having their rights theatened it's not wonder we're seeing a huge resurgence of people speaking out, but also huge support for those people threatening the rights.

[spicandspan89.livejournal.com]

Thanks for this. I think I will check out that film you mentioned; it sounds fascinating.

It's so interesting... feminism is supposed to be about equal rights, not about women being better than men. TPTB always seem to have these irrational fears that any social change will automatically mean the breakdown of all social norms (gasp!), and presumably, total anarchy. Perhaps what they're really fearing is a loss of power.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

It is because I have heard about the prob;lems you state here that I refuse to even bother reading Twilight or watch the movies.

I give a frag if someone calls me fat and ugly, I know I'm fat, and I laugh in the face of anyone who calls me ugly, because I know what I look like, and I know I am not.

In other things, I found Robert Patterson looked really creepy in the Twilight movies, a creepy he didn't have in HP4.

Final Word: Icon is for the OP. Dean Winchester hates Twilight.

[lirren.livejournal.com]

This is pretty much exactly what I came here to say. I don't hate Twilight (I don't care about it enough to hate it). I tried reading it and did find it extremely creepy. I've been in an abusive situation that began very similarly to what was portrayed between Bella and Edward and there's absolutely no way I could ever find that book anything but disturbing. If that opinion makes me fat, ugly and unloveable, oh well.