[ SECRET POST #1964 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1964 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 05 pages, 105 secrets from Secret Submission Post #281.
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Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

16. http://i48.tinypic.com/bj5tkw.jpg

[dappermagpie.livejournal.com]

He's not my favorite character either, but I thought he was far more likeable in the books

[helenadax.livejournal.com]

I like him in the books, not so much in the show.

[i-paint-the-sky.livejournal.com]

I am sad that this icon is the most I have seen of Jaime for awhile. Oh second season, WHY IS HE NOT IN YOU MORE (note: I am not caught up with the series, I think I've seen the first 6 or 7 episodes, and so while I know he does appear in another one that has aired, the only thing I've seen with it anything so far was episode 1!!!).

[ariseishirou.livejournal.com]

He's one of the most conventional characters in an otherwise fairly unconventional fantasy series. It really stands out. Bastard son (oh the token angst!) of potentially sekrit royal blood, natural leader, tall dark and handsome with a ~tempestuous~ red-headed girlfriend, part of speshul society of warriors that wear all black...

...He's basically every fantasy protagonist one of my best guy friends in junior high school wrote. Not that we didn't all Stu/Sue it up as teens and preteens, but it's jarring coming from a grown man like GRRM.

That said (spoilers) in ADWD have completely won me over. I knew I was wrong to doubt you, GRRM!

[(Anonymous)]

He is one of the most boring, one-dimensional, whiny characters in the series, along with Theon (and Tyrion after he got character derailed in ADWD) and almost all the Greyjoys except Asha. Also, his storyline is the most boring and irrelevant.

But Seven and R'hllor and Drowned God help you if you say that to the stans.

[fauxkaren.livejournal.com]

He's not one of my favorites either. In a series that subverts and plays with tropes, Jon as a young boy hero who rises to greatness has mostly been played pretty straight.

But he did finally start to get interesting to me in ADWD.

[imaginary-lives.livejournal.com]

I wouldn't say I dislike him but I just can't find him that interesting. His chapters bore me and in the show too.

[subarashiine.livejournal.com]

Okay?

[honeysuckle-raw.livejournal.com]

Not a fan of Jon Snow myself, although he's too bland for me to imagine hating him. I can tolerate him in the show because Kit Harrington is beautiful.

[dragon-infusion.livejournal.com]

Speaking as someone who's only been watching the show, Jon makes me roll my eyes hard sometimes. His face seems to be stuck in that perpetual 'pity me, I am a sad bastard' puppy pout.

[johnjie.livejournal.com]

I agree with this secret

I just don't find Jon's POV or the things he's involved with as interesting as other characters.

[aramis-chan.livejournal.com]

I've only read the books, but I hate Jon Snow. For the longest time I just found him really bland and boring and unoriginal and didn't want to read about him (not solely his fault, I hate the whole ice zombies part of the conflict), but after the part with the wildlings I actually dislike him too (I'm biased though, I like them a lot).

I'm still holding out hope that maybe he's being built up the way he is to make the eventual, spectacular fall more dramatic.

[klassickasey.livejournal.com]

Since when is GRRM not allowed to have any conventional fantasy tropes whatsoever in his books without overtly subverting them?

I'm sorry, but the way things are building up, I think that this cynical pseudo-realistic type of story is going to give way to a more traditional saga about the war between the forces of creation and destruction. It's not called the Song of Ice and Fire just for shits and giggles. I think GRRM is playing with our expectations. We're all so used to typical cliche high fantasy stories that he felt the need to give us something interesting to hook us in before he went into the more conventional battle between good and evil perspective.

I love Jon, because though his role is very expected and typical, his actual characterization is handled very effectively and I personally found myself able to relate to him and imagine his frustration with leading the Watch and his fear of failing his friends, his family, and the people of Westeros.

I think the whole point of the series will be to show us that sweeping high fantasy epics aren't a bad thing, and can even be beautiful and heart-wrenching. It's his attempt at reviving the dead horse that we're all so critical and derisive of. Personally, I can't wait until the Wall breaks open and the Seven Kingdoms have to unite as one to save themselves and the rest of the world, I think that is when we'll really see the characters flourish into true heroes.

[raichu100.livejournal.com]

He's my fourth favorite in the books having read 1 and most of 2.

Haven't seen past the first episode of GoT, though, so can't say for the show.

HBO y u so expensive

[(Anonymous)]

He's not my favourite, but I don't dislike him. I mostly think he's just really stupid a lot of the time. Like, if there's any character that's gonna make me roll my eyes or just want to look away in second-hand embarrassment, it's him (or Theon). Only seen the show, for the record.

[lone-defender.livejournal.com]

I dunno. He's one of my favorites, because he's not constantly disappointing and aggravating me. His chapters are pretty boring because we're waiting 3897457697694867794 chapters to get back to the good part wherein monsters make the Wall relevant again, but John himself I like. And I say this as someone who quit reading because 90% of the likable characters are gone and I had no patience to see how GRRM would squander the potential of his series further. (Note that now that there's so many eyes on him and ASOIAF/GoT is more of a mainstream success, I have reserved hopes that GRRM will pull through with an ending that isn't just flipping the bird to all of his readers, and it will probably be with Jon.)

[avatarmn.livejournal.com]

Wow, nice guys really do finish last. He's easily the kindest, most decent person in the show (I haven't read the books). I'm surprised to see he's so disliked.

[mutantjules.livejournal.com]

bahahahaha WELL HOW DAAAARE YOU

dude, no one cares really. :D I like him but not so very much, he's a sweet kid but it took awhile for him to really start doing anything I was incredibly interested in

[discord.livejournal.com]

I don't hate him, but he's my least favorite character too. He's so basic.

[(Anonymous)]

Jon Snore

[ms-manic.livejournal.com]

Every time I get to a Jon chapter I get annoyed. I'm finding his storyline really boring and I'm fed up with angst.

[(Anonymous)]

Ive come to the realization that hes not one of my favorite characters either. Im honestly most fond of Arya and Sam, who never gets POV time at all.

One odd thing Ive noticed is that hes really not overtly integrated into the rest of the story (yet; forgive me if Im wrong, I havent read all the way through book two and I havent watched any of season two), the Nights Watch is just kind of off doing their own thing and so Im hard pressed to care when hes not in the web of interconnectedness going on further south. Maybe thats why Im so iffy. That and hes whiny and nearly ditched on his vows. But, you know, different strokes.

[cobryn-moy.livejournal.com]

Jon Snow frustrates me because of his lack of introspection. He's a teenage boy with rejection issues so it makes sense for him not to be as self-reflective as Tyrion or Davos or Catelyn. But I find it makes him very hard to sympathise with as a POV character.

I would love to see him actually struggle with thoughts about his relationship with Ned or with Catelyn. (I adore Catelyn, but I wish we got more of Jon's feelings about her.) But he doesn't. He never interrogates why he feels, does, or wants the things he does. He just mumps around thinking "poor bastard me". The things he fixates on are the marks of status he can never have - like inheriting Winterfell or leading men to war. I find there's only so long that can elicit any sympathy considering how much worse a deal most of the other characters in the book have.

The short scene in ASOS where Stannis makes Jon [that offer] was the truest he has ever felt to me. But it was over almost before it had begun, and he was back to being a hero cipher driven by protaganist power rather than by psychological interiority.

[sara-rojo.livejournal.com]

I found him the most interesting thing in ADWD. I would have loathed the book if his chapters weren't in it. If I had to take ONE MORE FUCKING DAENERYS CHAPTER I would have thrown up all over the book.

He's very typical fantasy, but most people judge ASOIAF as much more against the norm than it is. Daenerys is terribly "fantasly". The fact that so many men lust after Sansa and are in a possition to abuse her decide not to is very "fantasly" -the fact that Joffrey himself, to name just one of the 12 or so that expressed interest in raping her, didn't is shocking. The fact that Stannis magically isn't dead and has a witch helping him is very "fantasly" (not so Stannis himself though XD). The fact that Tyrion isn't dead is the most fantastic thing in the world.