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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-05-25 06:48 pm

[ SECRET POST #1970 ]


⌈ Secret Post #1970 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[identity profile] avatarmn.livejournal.com 2012-05-26 11:08 am (UTC)(link)
She voted for it, and the book never said she didn't want it. Kinda seems to me like that's saying she wanted it. If the author intended some kind of machiavellian ploy, she seriously dropped the fucking ball by not revealing it and leaving us to think that what's been agreed to and then not contradicted is going to happen.
Edited 2012-05-26 11:10 (UTC)

[identity profile] silverau.livejournal.com 2012-05-26 11:23 am (UTC)(link)
Never mentioning it again is a pretty big hint to the fact that it didn't happen. The fact that Katniss killed the president is a pretty big hint to the fact that she didn't agree with the president. Yeah it was confusing, but there's no reason to insult people for it.

[identity profile] avatarmn.livejournal.com 2012-05-26 12:35 pm (UTC)(link)
It's never mentioned again because it's settled, and the book is ending. You HAVE to tell the readers, if you mean for the opposite of what you wrote to be what happened. And since when can't you kill someone if you've ever disagreed with them about something? There's no reason whatsoever to think that agreeing with Coin about a new Hunger Games, which btw Coin never actually gave an opinion on in the first place, would have any impact on whether she'd have the chance to kill her.

(Anonymous) 2012-05-26 01:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Not to mention Katniss going "I didn't actually agree, I just did it to be able to kill the president" would've spoiled... her killing the president. It doesn't excuse the confusing writing, but there are enough clues to support the theory.

[identity profile] raichu100.livejournal.com 2012-05-26 03:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Never mentioning it again is a pretty big hint to the fact that it didn't happen.

Er...what? No it's not...
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[identity profile] keire-ke.livejournal.com 2012-05-26 12:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Um, the book said it was Coin's idea and the idea will go public after Snow's execution (Coin mentions she will make sure Snow knows about it). Then Coin dies, Paylor is voted President and the Mockingjay is publicly revealed to be a broken, insane doll, short of her mental faculties - no one would approve going through with something she voted for. Plutarch says later everyone agrees the recent horrors should never be repeated. The suggestion it didn't happen is pretty clear. Then again, the book was so heavy-handed throughout, it's no wonder that the single attempt at subtlety failed.

[identity profile] avatarmn.livejournal.com 2012-05-26 10:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay, looking back at the book I see Coin does say it was her idea. My bad. Still I don't see why Katniss or the readers should have thought she couldn't disagree with Coin and still get access to her. She'd done it plenty of times before. And I think that a ton of people wouldn't have considered another Hunger Games with Capitol children to be a horror, they would be as vengeance crazed and mentally compromised as Katniss, and wouldn't have been inclined to give up the idea just because one of the jurors turned out a bit loopy in the same way that they are. "Broken" surely described a lot of people. To fob off the fact the author didn't come around to tell us "disregard that thing I spent a few pages establishing; assume the exact opposite outcome is what really happened" as a mere "attempt at subtlety" isn't very fair.
Edited 2012-05-26 22:49 (UTC)