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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-06-08 06:38 pm

[ SECRET POST #1984 ]


⌈ Secret Post #1984 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Little Shop of Horrors]


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[Sherlock BBC]


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[sort of porny and possible underage; photomanip, Snape/Hermione]

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16. [SPOILER WARNING for Arrested Development]
[TRIGGER WARNING for incest]



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[Let the Right One In/Låt den rätte komma in]


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[Parasyte]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #283.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
thene: Frank at the end of TTS, with his facemask open. (frank)

[personal profile] thene 2012-06-09 04:45 am (UTC)(link)
lol, okay this is not even worth the effort of typing a reply to ('entitled', it does not mean what you think it means)

but really? Also a lot of people don't go to work in the fields they studied and you know what that's okay.

Do you not see how much of a waste of someone's life it is it is to study something for three or four years for no lasting benefit?

[identity profile] nomorenoodles.livejournal.com 2012-06-09 08:57 am (UTC)(link)
Do you not see that some people want to try and achieve their dream job rather than spend the rest of their life in one they're simply okay with, when there's always a chance (and there's almost ALWAYS at least a very tiny chance) that they can achieve their dream job?

Not everyone is happy with getting a "menial job" and just having something to pay the bills. And even if people are, I bet some of them (not all, just some) would have wanted to get the job they used to really desire. If you just give up and get a regular job to pay the bills, you'd always wonder if you really could have made it, but you never will if you don't even try.

The only way OP can be a lawyer is by working their ass off in law school. And good luck to them! It's their choice; fandom or not, it's their choice. And maybe they can really do it. But if they listen to you and give up they'll be throwing away the chance of a job they really want.
thene: Frank at the end of TTS, with his facemask open. (frank)

[personal profile] thene 2012-06-09 09:39 am (UTC)(link)
-you're working with a false dichotomy between 'dream job' and 'menial job'.
-you're assuming people can actually tell what jobs they would thrive in without the benefit of real work experience. In this case that's especially divorced from reality - an anon below linked some information about the severe rate of depression among law students and lawyers. A lot of people are clearly very, very not happy to have achieved this 'dream job'.
-you're being very generous to OP in saying that they are gunning for 'a job they really want'. We know that they like playing videogames about being a lawyer. We don't know that they have any real idea of what lawyers do from day to day, how many job openings there are in the kind of legal work they want to do (going by the fandom reference maybe they're interested in being a public defender? Due to state and local budget cuts many PD departments have been on a hiring freeze for the last several years), or if they have any reason to believe they'd be good at it.

If OP listens to you they'll be buying a lottery ticket that they'll spend most of their working life paying for. I don't know how closely you keep a watch on statistics regarding economic outcomes for graduates and professional degree-holders, or statistics regarding the economic mobility of people who 'work their ass off' in general (low and still falling, but 90% of people continue to believe they'll be in the top 10% of outcomes), or on which sectors of the economy are growing and which are shrinking (even while most sectors are recovering now, legal services are not). The math is just not there. OP is far more likely to be irreparably, permanently damaged by having a six-figure student debt sitting on their credit report that they can't pay then they are to get the 'dream job'.

Is the 'very tiny chance' worth never being able to get a mortgage or a car loan or a business loan? That is up to OP but I hope to god they do the research, run the numbers and consider the extent and likelihood of the downside (there are a lot of people out there writing about this and most of them are angry). A professional school debt is a commitment the size of a mortgage and you'll see a lot of people out there right now who unwisely walked into one of those.

[identity profile] nomorenoodles.livejournal.com 2012-06-09 09:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Is the 'very tiny chance' worth never being able to get a mortgage or a car loan or a business loan?

Maybe not to you, but to some, yes, it really is. And I think you keep assuming things about the OP; we don't know if they've done the research or even their family income, maybe they can afford their law school debts perfectly fine. Maybe they have knowledge of what being a lawyer will be like. Maybe all they got was from Ace Attorney. Who cares? You never get true experience from a job until you end up actually doing it. If this is what OP (currently) wants then it's their choice and if they end up regretting it, then that's down to them. But they need to learn that themselves, after trying. Because no matter what evidence you may give, there ARE lawyers in the world, there always will be. Someone will always get that job. That could be OP, but if they never try then they'll never know. Not everyone should be office workers for their whole lives simply to pay their bills.

I have a feeling we're never going to agree, but I feel very strongly on the fact that no one should tell another person what to do with their life. Offering advice is fine, but you live your life how you want and let them live theirs. I don't know if this is what OP truly wants to do - nor if they really know much about it - any more than you do, but if they ARE sure and they're really working hard for it, then I say more power to them and I wish them the best of luck. Call me an optimist, but I think it's far better than just getting a "safe" job and never gunning for it.
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[personal profile] diet_poison 2012-06-10 03:57 am (UTC)(link)
Offering advice is fine, but you live your life how you want and let them live theirs.

Maybe it's just me, but I think [personal profile] thene was doing exactly that: offering advice. I don't think they were trying to tell OP to do or not do anything - just strongly encouraging caution, which in this case I think is very wise. I hope OP reads this and does their research. Maybe being a lawyer is in the cards for them - but I agree it isn't something they should just rush into and that's why some people on this thread are counseling them to be careful, research the stats and tread with caution.