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fandomsecrets2012-06-10 03:09 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2012-06-10 03:09 pm
[ SECRET POST #1986 ]
⌈ Secret Post #1986 ⌋
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(Anonymous) 2012-06-11 03:12 am (UTC)(link)As I stated repeatedly, I haven't seen the movie in some time now. I tried to find the short essay I had written on the subject some time ago and was unable to locate it (unfortunately.. it was really good, but it's not in my email or my Tumblr auuugh). I didn't want to be too specific because I know that people in this thread would look for the tiniest inconsistency to jump all over and use to invalidate my entire point (as they've already done -- I'm sorry, yes, the comments at Loki's expensive bit was meant to come earlier in the comment).
As I have tried to point out in other comments, a lot of what I'm talking about isn't really in-your-face shit. Emotional abuse very rarely is. I apologize for using myself as an example again, but few people would have guessed when I was a child that I was being emotionally abused by my family. It isn't a kind of abuse that leaves scars and it isn't as simple and clear as saying "I hate you, [son/daughter/whatever]." It's... stuff like watching your brother and his friends treat you like shit (making snide comments, Thor's "know your place, brother," Loki always seeming off to the side, separated/isolated during scenes with them) and doing nothing about it, like never telling your son you love him no matter what, like hiding a huge part of his identity from him and then expecting him to be totally cool with that, like teaching your son to hate what he is his entire life and then oh, by the way...
There's more, and a lot of it is body language, inflection, tone, delivery, etc. but really I don't want to go into it ALL right now, without a fresh look at the actual movie. So you know, whatever. I have to go since my life is back, ciao.
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(Anonymous) 2012-06-11 03:53 am (UTC)(link)I mean, probably The People of Asgard considered them monsters, but Odin can't exactly control public opinion. But he can control his own actions, and he does. He is consistently measured towards the frost giants, and never acts angry or emotional at them. They are enemies of Asgard, he can't exactly pretend like the whole "they tried to kill humans," thing didn't happen, but he can make sure that he doesn't perpetuate the idea that they're mindless beasts who deserve to die.
I don't get how people miss all this. It's pretty much key to understanding...well, the whole movie.
Also, re: Odin not telling Loki about his heritage, Frigga even says why he did it, and you know what, it makes sense. He didn't want Loki to see himself as an outsider, he wanted Loki to feel like he was a true son of Asgard. And not only that, when Loki discovers the truth, Odin goes to great lengths to reiterate that Loki is Odin's son. Loki is the one who twists everything Odin says to somehow mean that Loki is a monster (Odin even calls him out on it). And guess who ends up on the throne? Loki, treated like a true son.
I doubt Odin expected Loki to be "totally cool" with the whole frost giant thing. That's probably why he starts out the whole confrontation with, "You are my son." It's only bad luck that leads to Odin being out of commission while Loki is having his little identity crisis.
As for the other stuff, well we've already covered the fact that there's no evidence that Thor's friends "treated Loki like shit." As for Thor being a dick to Loki, well, he was literally a dick to everyone. He was dismissive of his friends, he was an arrogant dick to his father. Like, that's the whole point of the beginning of the movie.
And if we say Thor is abusive because he's a dick, can we say that Loki emotionally manipulating Thor into getting banished, then visiting him in Midgard and lying to him even more to send him spiraling into a guilt trip, then KILLING HIM...maybe kinda sorta counts as abusive behavior? I mean, is it not at all possible that they were both just jerks to each other? After all, the whole plot happens because Loki wanted to fuck with Thor's head (and didn't care who got killed in order to further that goal).