[ SECRET POST #1986 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1986 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 05 pages, 119 secrets from Secret Submission Post #284.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0- not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - take it to comments ], [ 1 2 - going to have to be a little more subtle than this ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[cashay]

Of course we should know his motivation, but there is only so much someone can tell you through dialogue and facial expression/body language. If you have a book most of the time you're in the characters head, you see the world the way he/she sees it and often know his/her thoughts. What I was trying to point out was, that since it's a movie we aren't in Loki's head.

While we can form awesome theories, and I agree that there are a lot of great ones out there we don't know what is actually going through his head in that moment, how he sees what happened and why he let go.

I was mostly arguing this sentence It's a flaw because he is cherry-picking what he believes in order to further his own sense of self refuses to take responsibility for any of his actions. of the anon above me.

And yes, I know Loki isn't a person, but writing suicide attempts off as "attention seeking" just because they make no sense to you (a general you, not me or you personally) is a theme I noticed with quite a few people. Better to argue it out about fictional character than when real people are involved. (Also I might just be a tad overinvested in fandom though I don't even care for Loki all that much xD)

[(Anonymous)]

Please point out where I said Loki was attention seeking with his "suicide." Because it's...sure as hell not in that sentence you posted, and that's not a belief I hold at all. That sentence is based on actual evidence present through the movie (like how Loki consistently refuses to take responsibility for his actions, and refuses to accept objective truths in order to further his own sense of self).

The thing is, Loki's "suicide" does make sense to me. It makes a lot of sense. It's a terrible thing to do, but I can see his twisted logic in it. But just because you can understand something, doesn't mean that you should condone it, or that it was at all the right thing to do (it obviously wasn't).

[cashay]

I never meant to accuse you personally, I know it reads like that and I'm sorry for making the mistake of trying to discuss a point while being emotional abou it. (That's one of my flaws ;) )

I don't condone his actions and I think especially in the Avengers movie he is really just a messed up, self-centered ass. I think most of the other points are explained beneath, if not please point out what I forgot.

Again I'm sorry for discussing while being overly emotional involved, it makes me say some things that are unintentionally hurtful to others and makes me jump to conclusions.

[(Anonymous)]

Nah, it's cool. I was just kind of like, "Wait, what? But...I didn't even say that. *defensive mode activate!*"

[cashay]

haha that's okay, after all my defensive-mode was having a field day as well =)