[ SECRET POST #1991 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1991 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 1 2 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - unreadable ].
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Comments

[truxillogical]

It still comes off as expecting that the author be grateful for your slash fic.

It doesn't help that people pull out the phrase "free publicity" in the creative world an awful lot, and nine times out of ten it's bogus flim-flam.

If the author is alienating their fans with outdated views, that's their prerogative. Some authors--most of the ones who dislike fanfic--genuinely do not care. And as I said, most of those are also well-known enough, and good enough writers that...they really don't have to care. So it just sounds like some kids whining: "But! But we'll get people to notice you!" Yes, you might. But the author doesn't really need you to do that, and they certainly don't have to like it.

[(Anonymous)]

If the author is alienating their fans with outdated views, that's their prerogative.

And to this I say...so? Just because an author chooses to do something doesn't mean that nobody should criticize them, particularly when that thing they're doing is ridiculous and nonsensical.

I don't think pointing out that fanworks are free publicity while calling an author out sounds like whining. I think it sounds like a bunch of people making a very legitimate point. Just because an author might not care doesn't make that point invalid. And just because you think it ~sounds whiny~ doesn't make it so.

[(Anonymous)]

Even if you make a legitimate point it still comes down to them wanting fanfiction of their work or not. They may not think they need the free publicity, or feel that avenue of marketing my not be where they had set their own goals. Whatever the reason, they have their own reasons, and valid in their own right.

The whiny comes in with people who refuse to accept their authors wishes.

[truxillogical]

Pretty much this.

The whiny comes in with people who refuse to accept their authors wishes.

Heck, like I said, IMHO it's not even about not accepting the author's wishes--write whatever fanfic you want, sure--it's just that they're still fussing because...because what? Because the author doesn't like it? I mean, I can find fanfic for pretty much any "forbidden" property with a few seconds at google, so it's not like the author's disapproval keeps it from happening, right? They're not being deprived of anything, not even their right to create fanfic, so... so what are they so mad about?

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah...and? Just because they have reasons doesn't mean that I have to think that those reasons are good reasons, or that they make any kind of sense.

And, from what I've seen, people for the most part do respect the author's wishes, in that they don't usually write fanfic for stuff that the author's have specifically said, "NO FANFIC." But just because they respect the author's wishes doesn't mean that they have to respect the author's reasons. And when people bring up the "free publicity," thing, they're basically stating just another reason why the author has bad reasons.

I just can't see how it's "whiny" or a person not accepting "their authors wishes" to bring up a valid point while arguing about the merits of fanfiction.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think anyone is saying you can't bring up your points, but rather if the author has stated they don't want fanfic and people still complain then it does come off as whiny.


Take GRRRM for example, on his lj post he clearly listed off the reason he does not want fanfic, and even answered comments to those who brought up valid points. He, in this example, is aware of those valid points but still chooses to not allow fanfic. For people to still complain about why they shouldn't be allowed to write fanfic afterwards only comes across as whiny because they are not getting their way.


But in the end why battle with them? Fanfic will exist whether they want it to or not.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's a little silly to say that if someone thinks something then everyone else should just shut up about it if they disagree, lest they come off as whiny.

And I also don't see how people bringing up GRRM as a negative example in a discussion about the merits of fanfiction would be considered whining. And it seems silly to me to say that nobody can disagree with him, just because he's made up his mind. SURPRISE! Just because an author has a belief doesn't mean that people must agree with them. And just because someone disagrees with an author doesn't make them whiny.

(Plus, considering their have been authors who had previously disallowed fanfiction who then decided that fanfiction was okay, I can understand GRRM fans who would hope that he would grow out of his view.)

[(Anonymous)]

I'm getting that you are having an issue with the word, 'whiny' more than anything else...


"And I also don't see how people bringing up GRRM as a negative example in a discussion about the merits of fanfiction would be considered whining."

He's made it perfectly clear that he doesn't want fanfic. End of story. To keep trying to change his mind about it because they want fanfic "is whiny" because they don't like his reasons and they feel entitlement to that fanfic.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, surprisingly I would have issue with a pejorative used against people who disagree with an author. Shocking, that.

Anyways, right now we're talking about two different things. I'm talking about people who bring up authors who don't like fanfiction amongst themselves, who then get called whiny for daring to disagree with an author (kind of like how we got started with this discussion in the first place). Whereas you are talking about people who continue to bring it up to the author, which is a completely different situation.

Honestly, I don't really have anything to say about the second part because I don't even know if that is a thing that people actually do (I don't read GRRM's site, because I don't care about him at all).

[(Anonymous)]

whiny - peevish; complaining

It is what it is.

Talking to the author or discussing it with other people is still whining that you're not getting your way.

[(Anonymous)]

"Whining: to complain peevishly." (Encarta Dictionary)

Now, if you consider anyone who disagrees with you, or anyone even having a discussion about something you don't agree with to be "complaining peevishly," then you have a lot of learning to do.

Also, almost every discussion I've seen with people talking about the merits of fanfiction hasn't been at all complaining about how they weren't "getting their way." If that's all you've taken away from the discussions then, again, (once more with feeling) you have a lot of learning to do.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

"I think it's a little silly to say that if someone thinks something then everyone else should just shut up about it if they disagree."

I don't find that silly at all when "someone" is the author of the work and "everybody else" is the fanbase. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the author does have a hell of a lot more rights to his/her work than you do. It's ridiculous to expect people to "just shut up" if they disagree with you, don't get me wrong, but the author gets the final say when it comes to their work. And that's the way it should be. So honestly it's kind of pointless to argue with them about it.

[(Anonymous)]

It still comes off as expecting that the author be grateful for your slash fic.

lol you're so obvious.