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⌈ Secret Post #1991 ⌋

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I've read a plot summary of ME3 and seen several people rant about it online, but I still cannot for the life of me understand why it's so hated. It doesn't sound brilliant to me, it just sort of sounds like any other ending of a story. If that makes any sense. Usually when someone explains a bad ending I can tell right away why it's terrible. (I'm looking at you xxxHoLiC.)

Does it contradict the themes presented throughout the game previously? Is it OOC? Is it overly pessimistic? Is it a obvious fuck you from the creators? Is it too fanfic-y? Too cliffhanger? My best guess is that it appears to be a extreme non sequitur to the rest of the game? Something about a little boy? What the f?

Someone tell me so I can move on with my life. ;___;

Unfortunately, I haven't played this game, so idk, but I'm with you on xxxHolic. Worst. Fucking. Ending. Ever. *still bitter*

I haven't played the third game yet but most of the complaints I've seen is we were promised many endings but only ended up with three and that it's very hard to keep Shepard alive. To have Shepard live you apparently have to get certain choices right in all three games.

This is my personal experience, and I can't speak for everyone else, but in ~~the shortest of the~~ short;a lot of the hatred I noticed came from what the devs said about the ending, and what actually happened;
"Your choices will matter!"
"It won't be an A/B/C ending!"
"You'll love it!"

When in actuality, it felt like your choices didn't matter in the slightest because it was an A/B/C ending, and only in one of those does your character possibly live... and that's only if you have a high enough score.

SA

Also: "You won't need multiplayer to get the best score!"
No, you don't need it... it's just really fucking difficult, and you have to follow a pretty exact path to get it.

Oh god, I was so angry about this. Also if you don't play multiplayer ALL THE TIME your score goes down... what a bunch of bullshit. At least the MP was somewhat fun though

AYRT

Oh yeah. I hated that as well, massive crock of shit. I haven't played MP or SP in AGES... Maybe I should pick it up again?

Eh. We'll see.

DA

Actually to get all available endings you HAVE to play MP. There is not enough points in game currently to get all endings without MP or the other apps. They lied and have finally admitted to it. I don't know when a fix is coming, but hopefully it'll be included with the EC.

My problem was that it seemed as though my choices from all three games didn't really matter in the end. I loved ME3 but was really disappointed initially. I think there are variations of each ending but aside from what they imply every ending is kind of the same. I personally just wish the endings had been very different from each other, even if there weren't that many. I think fans were mad because they put a lot of time into these games and felt they deserved more/didn't get what they expected. I also think it could deter people from replaying the series - if you don't get a drastically different ending then why go through the games again making different choices?

However I also think a ton of fans acted completely entitled and obnoxious about it. Yeah, I was pissed about the ending - for maybe a week. Aside from the end though I thought it was an awesome game and would definitely replay it (and the others). I think fans who were disappointed with the ending are justified, but I also think a lot of fans reacted very poorly.

ME3's ending is hated because it is an asspull that offers neither closure nor denouement, contradicts a bunch of the series' own lore including the plot of ME1, explains the looming Big Bad's motivations as asinine circular logic, and craps all over the prior games' precedent for player-driven narrative. It is the exact sort of button press A, B, C choice that the developers specifically promised not to deliver, and every "choice" blows a universe we fell in love with back to a dark age. I tried to summarize my gripes in accessible fashion here.

http://youtu.be/7MlatxLP-xs

Long video is long, but is very specific and explains exactly everything I hated about the ending. If I tried to explain it I think it would just turn into unintelligible rage.

From what I've read:

Does it contradict the themes presented throughout the game previously?

Yes.

Is it OOC?

Apparently.

Is it overly pessimistic?

Overwhelmingly so.

Is it a obvious fuck you from the creators?

Possibly!

Is it too fanfic-y?

That would have been a mercy.

Too cliffhanger?

More like too "everyone is going to die now, good job, player!".

My best guess is that it appears to be a extreme non sequitur to the rest of the game?

Quite a bit of that too.

Something about a little boy?

The little jerk.

What the f?

That's a perfect summary, yeah.

Say if, at the end of Return of the Jedi, some guy we've never seen before tells Luke that the Empire's really a good thing, and he just shrugs and says "Alright". Then he kills himself in a way that destroys the Force, shuts down every spaceship in the galaxy, and kills the droids.

Then cut to Han and Leia crashing on some random planet we've never seen before.

THE END!

Also, Chewbacca starves to death.

Pretty much all of this.

As a fellow non-player very confused about the unhappiness caused by the endings, this essay was very illuminating for me. I also saw a chart somewhere - maybe on the wiki? - that details every possible permutation of the endings available and how they're really all the same sucky, depressing choice.

In my opinion, the ending is two scoops of badness on top of a black hole of suck. The whole game takes itself and dark apocalyptic science fiction far too seriously, without the writing and directorial chops to pull it off. The most of high-drama scenes that do succeed work by virtue of:

1: having little or no character dialogue
2: Clint Mansell is a thematic soundtrack god.

Mass Effect 3 is rather like Revenge of the Sith, the high budget, high production values work of a team that has something to say and a willingness to leave no cliche untapped to say it. Both are works with weak plotlines and character development barely held together by superlative musical and artistic design decisions. And the closing scenes of both are so over-the-top in their delivery that they become mockery.

(Mansell I'll argue is analogous to John Williams' work for Star Wars, another film that would have made absolutely no sense were it not for a cinematic intervention by the editors, sound production, and orchestra.)

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