[ SECRET POST #2002 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2002 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 066 secrets from Secret Submission Post #286.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 2 - text comments ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[dazzledfirestar]

Here's the thing though. Clint/Natasha isn't canon in the movie-verse either. Sure, there's more to build on, but there is nothing in there that implicitly states that they're involved romantically.

Every single pairing in the Avengers movie, with the exception of Tony/Pepper and Phil/the Cellist is fanon.

[brooms]

i... don't really have an investment in avengers fandom and/or clint/coulson/natasha - the popularity of clint/coulson delights and hilaritizes me, tbh, i have no beef with it - so i was talking more in general.

but yeah, even keeping it strictly avengers, i do have more "respect" for hawkeye and black widow's canonically implicit history than for totally fucking made up pairings like clint/coulson or, idk, tony/loki. they're crack pairings to me.

it's just how i personally roll, tho.

[dazzledfirestar]

I'm not saying you do have a beef with it. What I'm saying is it's all fanon. There's nothing implicitly there saying any of them are rolling around naked together on their days off. Natasha and Clint are close and they work together. I got the same (to a lesser extent) vibe from Natasha and Coulson and Coulson and Clint (in Thor... since it seems a lot of people have only seen Avengers and not the lead up movies AND the tie in comics; all of which is the same canon).

"Totally fucking made up" from the perspective of someone who isn't invested in the fandom seems... well, rather silly.

[brooms]

What I'm saying is it's all fanon.

and what i'm saying is that IMNSHO, not all fanons are equally valid or believable or sound or carry the same weight w/e english word or expression should go here.

"Totally fucking made up" from the perspective of someone who isn't invested in the fandom seems... well, rather silly.

lol idgaf. i've seen all (and i do mean all - bana's & norton's hulks included) marvel movies that led to the avengers and my personal view of shit like clint/coulson or tony/loki remains "totally fucking made up".

i feel the same way (to a lesser extent) about pairings like arthur/eames (and i'm also not into inception) or, say, harry/pansy.

none of these offend me in any way, they're just - totally fucking made up. straight up fanon to an hilarious degree.

clint/natasha is at worst 30% fanon. "love is for children". srsly, tho.

[dazzledfirestar]

My apologies. Most of the "not invested" people I've talked to weren't familiar with the movies before Avengers. I shouldn't have assumed.

See I saw the "love is for children" line as her actual feelings on the subject, not some excuse to write off her feelings for Clint. So, there you go.

As long as you're not saying whatever you're shipping is "better" than anyone else or that fans are less than (though, honestly, it's coming off that way...) you for liking something else, whatever. Have fun.

[brooms]

by not invested i meant fannishly invested. i don't ship in it, i don't read fanfic, idc for fanart - they're just fun movies with an endearing cast to me.

As long as you're not saying whatever you're shipping is "better" than anyone else

repeating myself, but i... don't actually ship anything. i find jeremy renner - the common denominator in coulson/clint/natasha - ugly as sin. i just cannot see the appeal. so trust me, i am sincere when i say there are no fucks being given on my end.

but i AM guilty as charge of thinking clint/natasha is a more legit ship than clint/coulson, yeah. i also think hermione/krum is a more legit ship than hermione/cedric. and i care about literally none of these.

[(Anonymous)]

god what a boring piece of shit you are.


lalalalal here, I don't care. let me tell you how much I don't care.

OVER AND OVER

if you DON'T CARE then shut the fuck up about HOW MUCH YOU DON'T CARE.

[(Anonymous)]

The point









Your head.

They said they didn't care as in, their position that one pairing is more canonically valid than another is not based on emotional attachment to the former pairing.

[brooms]

sry, i never grew out of my teletubbies phase, i'm pretty wild about repetition.

i don't care.

no me importa.

não me importo.

peu m'importe.

[(Anonymous)]

Equating "fandom" -- porn, speculation, drawings where everyone is an anime character with cat ears -- with the actual literal source material when you're debating with someone who is complaining about precisely this is rather silly as well. Just sayin'.

I realize you probably just had a brain fart, but it kind of illustrates how people believe that if you aren't involved in a community devoted to inventing things about a work of fiction, you know less about it. I mean, if you have to be invested in the fandom to hold the opinion that some pairings in the source material aren't made up? They are made up. Being in the fandom doesn't make every single thing it produces any less completely distinct from the actual films and actual canon.

[dazzledfirestar]

What I meant when I said that was that being "invested" usually equals having an understanding of the source material. Personally, if I don't care, I wouldn't bother with the movies/comics/books/whatever enough to know what has that basis or not. We have different definitions of invested in this case.

Obviously it's all made up. It's fiction. But holding what you read into the source material over and above what someone else does is pretty high handed. You don't see it in the source material? Good for you. Someone else does? Good for them. It's a matter of interpretation more than anything else.

[(Anonymous)]

No, see, what I mean is you're talking about "investment" in the wrong thing. They said they are not invested in the fandom. The fandom is not the source material, which is where their quibble starts in the first place.

I'd be curious as to whether anyone actually is saying that they honestly see a relationship between Clint and Coulson in the films. I was under the impression that most people admit that it's crack or highly, highly supplemented by fanon. A romantic relationship between Clint and Natasha is not canon either, but it's true that there is shown to be more supporting it -- more of a relationship that's even extent, period -- than Clint and Coulson. I honestly don't give much of a shit, but they're not really the same and the extent of the relationship that people seem to write about between them does require a lot more making-up of things. That's the reality of it -- Clint and Natasha get multiple scenes dedicated to their attachment to each other, long history together, investment in each other's well-being, and the specific ways they describe their relationship. Coulson dies, and even Tony and Steve are shown onscreen reacting more to it and more affected by it in the long-term (in the terms of those 2.5 hours, anyway). It's a whole different level of fanon.