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⌈ Secret Post #2003 ⌋

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Hey, thanks for making my secret for me! (A little too much Tumblr speak, but hey, I'll live.) Anyway, I approve this message wholeheartedly. I skip those fics, or drop 'em like a hot potato as soon as I see where they are going. I know, I guess some people like reading in-the-closet angst or internalized homophobia fics as an outlet or because it's a kink or whatever, but not me. I read shipping fic because I like seeing two characters I love have adventures and fall in love, and the fact that they are the same sex has nothing to do with anything. Or, maybe it's a slight blip, because being with someone of the same sex is a new experience, but not a really a big deal.

There's a pretty popular Star Trek '09 that left such a sour taste in my mouth. I spent 100 or so chapters with it and then had to drop it for my own sanity. When Kirk and Spock finally get together, the next thing you know is people (humans, mind you) are calling Kirk a certain 3 letter slur. Maybe you could argue that humans are still prejudiced in that way in the 23rd, but it is canon that Federation is a pretty utopian and tolerant society. So, come on, can't you leave the homophobia out?

And, taking Star Trek and, for example, setting it in 1980-90's America, at the height of the AIDS crisis scare just for some angst? GTFO. (I wonder if anyone has done that?)

At the same time, while I personally wouldn't read the above AU example, if an author used, say Kirk and Spock's struggles in '80's-'90's America as a way to explore historical issues and not just as a way to saturate the fic with angst, I'd be okay with it.

Was it Observations? I haven't read it, but that's the only log ass Star Trek '09 fic I know of

*long

Yep. I hate abandoning fic after spending so long with it, but the homophobia and... other things really turned me off. I liked okay up 'til then, though. It gets recced a lot, deservedly imo, but it wasn't for me.

Don't feel bad about dropping it. I read the whole thing through and regretted it. Not only because of the reasons you mentioned but also because after a while it became obvious that the author was using the fic for their own therapy-type thing for some real emotional and mental, um, I don't know what to call it, difficulties? They eventually admitted it but only after I read all of it...

I don't have a problem with authors using fic for therapeutic reasons but I would have preferred a warning about it so I could avoid it. I'm not really into going through other people's trauma.

That, and it felt like it came out of nowhere for the fic, pacing-wise. Also, the constant angst got very tiring. Once one angsty thing ends another one crops up. You never get a breather. While that works for some people, it didn't for me.

Overall, what started out as something I kinda enjoyed crashed and burned into something I trudged through, because damn it, I'm not a quitter. I shit you not; I read the whole thing because I was just stubborn about finishing something I started. I don't know why I chose then to be stubborn about that kind of thing.

Sorry about this long, rambly response. I just want you to know you missed nothing.

Heh heh, no problem and thanks. I'm kind of a lurker in fandoms and sometimes there's that fic that you just want to have long and serious conversations about. 'Observations' was one of those fics. I was exactly like you. I enjoyed it first; then, I was soured on it by the homophobia but I kept going, because- darn it- I was already so far in. Then, there was the chapter were the author copy and pasted straight from a 'Firefly' episode and, like, put Mal and Zoe's dialogue right into the mouths of Kirk and Uhura and I couldn't go any further.

I personally wouldn't reccomend the fic, but I won't begrudge those who enjoyed it.

That's an interesting (and sad) tidbit about the author. Now I'm kind of morbidly curious about that aspect of the fic, though I'm not into going through someone else's trauma either.

Holy shit, I-I did not know that. Wow. I've never seen Firefly so I didn't catch it. I'm surprised she wasn't called out. Maybe she was and I missed it.

Yeah, I feel the same way. I'm pretty much a, "whatever floats your boat" kinda person. You know, as long as it's not hurting anyone.

Yeah, I felt bad for her. Eh, I'll just say it was around the ending and it kinda didn't make a lot of sense, character or story-wise. Kinda came out of nowhere and was something I couldn't fully understand. I feel I didn't know what was going on when I read it. Anyway, I think it was about trust, betrayal, depression, torture maybe and a whole bunch of other stuff I can't clearly define but knew was wrong (off?) when I read it. I also felt the ending just kinda ended. Like, wait, it's done now? How did that happen?

I think you're making a good call if you're not into that sort of thing even if you are morbidly curious. I don't think you’d get much enjoyment out of it.

I read shipping fic because I like seeing two characters I love have adventures and fall in love, and the fact that they are the same sex has nothing to do with anything.

That's really kind of the difference, isn't it? You're looking for shippy fic while the other people are presumably more interested in the angst. The two aren't mutually exclusive by any means, but they're not joined at the hip either.

Well, yeah. Not saying it's wrong to enjoy angst. I love some good angst, just not a big fan of homophobia related angst. I can generate my own angst regarding that issue irl, thanks. And, pretty much every movie I've seen with gay characters revolves around their struggles with homophobia. But, if you like homophobia related angst in a fic, more power to you. YMMV and all that jazz. I like seeing homosexual relationships treated equal to heterosexual relationships, with minimal reference to rl cultural mores and taboos regarding homosexuality.

I guess some people like reading in-the-closet angst or internalized homophobia fics as an outlet or because it's a kink or whatever

Must be about kinks or people's own "issues", sure. Couldn't possibly be because it's *accurate for the setting* (in my case, Victorian London)...

There is no need to trivialise and dismiss other people's motivations just because you don't favour a particular theme.

No need to be offended anon! I got you covered. I guess you skimmed over the end of my comment where I adressed the issue of AU historical settings in your haste to passive aggressively- tit for tat- dismiss my fic preferences.

I can't believe how much of issue it is apparently is to express preferences. Just because I don't share your preference doesn't mean I'm condemning you or dismissing you. I apologize if it came across that way. If you want to write a fic set in a universe that has absolutely no canon taboos about homosexuality and amp up the angst by having other characters torture your gay characters with homophobic slurs and hate crimes that's, well, maybe not okay with me. But, it doesn't have to be okay with me. If you want to transplant characters from a canonically tolerant universe into an intolerant universe and have one of their obstacles be homophobia, okay- at least that makes more sense. I'm not your judge, jury and executioner. I know how to click my back button if I don't like a fic. If you are enjoying yourself and others are enjoying themselves, then great! Fanfic and fandom are supposed to be fun.

Edited 2012-06-28 09:15 (UTC)

to passive aggressively- tit for tat- dismiss my fic preferences

Except the part where I didn't do that in the least, but feel free to misrepresent me as that seems to be your thing.

It is certainly not "my thing" to misrepresent anyone, or, for that matter, to represent anyone except myself. I apologize if I offended you by misinterpreting your intent and the tone of your comment.

Few things will get me to back button quicker than homophobia in a Star Trek fic (that doesn't involve time travel or a planet full of backwards aliens.)

I simply refuse to believe that the Federation has homophobia. Refuse.

I dunno, anon. I think one of the criticism that Star Trek had that it kinda made that type of environment too easy to forget that these -isms and -phobia existed and prolly still do in a lesser format today. I mean, DS9 talked about why Sisko was uncomfortable with joining the crew in the those world generators where they basically cosplay someone in the 50s-60s and it opened up dialog about the legacy of racism.

But I understand how you feel though. It would be nice if homophobia was a thing of the past by the time Star Trek takes place at.

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