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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-06-27 06:54 pm

[ SECRET POST #2003 ]


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hiyami: Bill from tokio Hotel, looking like Natalie Portman (Bill WTFmeter)

[personal profile] hiyami 2012-06-28 06:34 am (UTC)(link)
I noticed a tendancy in some women to be more jealous towards other women than they would be about men.

In the fandom of my icon, a lot of fans really want to slash the singer with every male who happens to appear in a 50 miles radius around the band. But they become batshit heinous if a pretty woman is seen near him. I don't get it either.
But it's really the "not losing him to another woman. Losing him to a man is not a problem".

[personal profile] anonymouslyyours 2012-06-28 09:15 am (UTC)(link)
This really bothers me because the subtext I read in that kind of thing is either they think they would "cure" him or that M/M relationships aren't as emotionally involved or committed by their nature.
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[personal profile] hiyami 2012-06-28 09:28 am (UTC)(link)
Oh I think it has nothing to do with either of those explanations. It's more (imo and from what I read) that if it's a woman, they go "whine whine why couldn't it be me? That bitch is ugly, I look better, I dress better". They would like to erase the woman from the pic to replace her.
While if the other person in the picture is a man, they fantasized about those 2 hot guys having sex. They project themselves as an observer in that case.

[personal profile] anonymouslyyours 2012-06-28 10:01 am (UTC)(link)
I agree with what you said in some cases but usually the more immature (and prevalent) slashers seem to fixate on one of the men and talk obsessively about being with him and I feel like in those cases the second guy is being used as a non-threatening placeholder. And a lot of the time I wonder if it's just internalized misogyny coming into play and they think they're the only "not one of those girls" and therefore the only woman who could really understand him.

/There's my overthought for the day?
Edited 2012-06-28 10:02 (UTC)

(Anonymous) 2012-06-29 03:16 pm (UTC)(link)
The general consensus between myself and some of my friends when we talked about this kind of situation once was that it was pretty much seen as whether or not you feel like you "failed".

The mindset was, if you lost a guy to another girl there always could have been something you could have done to get him instead, like look prettier, be nicer, be more outgoing, anything. So you failed where you possibly could have succeeded.

OTOH, if you lost a guy to another guy there's really no competition. You were pretty much out of the fight from the beginning. It was an impossible to win situation i.e., it shouldn't count as a failure.

And yes, I know we're talking about celebrities and not people the women in question know IRL. But from what I've seen most of these obsessive fans seem to emotionally relate to the celebrities as if they did actually know them IRL, so I still feel it's a valid argument.
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[personal profile] hiyami 2012-07-04 08:15 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, I hadn't seen that reply, and yes, that's exactly the conclusion I reached too.
If the guy of your dream goes out with another man, you don't ask yourself "Why oh why, what does he have that I don't?!", because the short answer is "a penis". And even if it's a joke and more complicated than that, I guess it feels less humiliating to simply not be in the realm of possibles because of a gender mismatch, rather than thinking that he'd never date you because you're not pretty enough, or charming enough, or famous enough, or whatever.

Which, in the case of fictional crushes, is usually the case. If you're not a top model and have contacts in the industry, your odds of dating a famous singer / actor are close to zero.
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[personal profile] insanenoodlyguy 2012-06-28 05:12 pm (UTC)(link)
You know that infuriating thing where a guy's okay with his gf lezzing out?

YFW that double standard isn't exclusively male.