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Out of curiosity, what is this racism that white people are facing then? I'm actually genuinely curious. And I do get that white people face discrimination if foreign countries, but lbr, how many white people actually live in non-Eurocentric countries?

Are you the original commenter? If so, your example made in sarcasm ("And when I was in elementary school, it was in a latino neighbourhood, and I was always bullied by a group of brown girls because I was white.") is an answer. You may have been eye-rolling when you wrote it, but people do suffer situations like that.

I just hate that people throw away the possibility of white people suffering because of their race just because it's not an everyday occurrence or as widespread. It still happens and it's incredibility insulting to tell someone their experience didn't really happen or doesn't matter.

But that's not racism, it's just bullying (which is awful, but a different story in itself.) Is the discrimination against her ethnicity that the hypothetical white person faced also going to later show itself up in different places as the white person grows up (say her future job, in university, etc)? Likely not. But it would be a high chance for someone who is non-white, who is capable of experiencing discrimination in all walks of their life. Idk, does that make sense?

I mean, are you also going to say men as whole face discrimination because of isolated cases of boys who are bullied by their female peers in school for being a boy? I definitely wouldn't say that men never face bullying, but claiming that men face sexism or the like is far-fetched.

Semantics. It seems to weigh down a lot of these discussions. We need a good catch-all phrase for 'The practice of one individual treating another individual badly and unfairly because they belong to a (real or perceived) different group, irrespective of which specific groups are involved or what personal or institutional imbalances of power may exist.'

That term wouldn't just be bullying? White people, like other people, face bullying all the time, and it's a problem. But how often is the bullying the white person faces due to their race (referring to Western countries here, btw). Bullying most often is about being treated unfairly or badly because of a perceived characteristic. Tbh, white people don't all that often face bullying due solely to their race, which is why there doesn't need to be a catch all phrase for racism that includes white people (again, in the West). I'm a white person, and I can survive with that fact. Now say to me that white people don't experience bullying or peer discrimination, and that's a whole other story.

I'd also like to add that adult bullying is a very real concept too.

The fact that you felt compelled to tack on that addendum demonstrates exactly the problem with the word bullying: though it's not inaccurate, it carries too many connotations of kids pushing each other around on a playground.

As for white people facing difficulties because they're white, it definitely is fairly rare compared to other groups. But it's also not very fair, IMO, to treat certain people as though they don't exist or don't count because they happen to be the exception rather than the rule.

I do agree that some people don't take the word bullying seriously enough, but that doesn't mean that isolated instances of discrimination that white people face =/= racism poc face. There's a reason why there's a difference. And I never said people's problems "don't exist or count" because they're the exception to the rule.

But you do realize why any racial discrimination white people face in Western countries is a lot different from what non-white people face? If you're poc it's hard to get positions in politics, acting roles, jobs, etc, versus being a white person. That's kind of what the definition of racism is. Not isolated cases of bullying. (Btw, please do not tell the Obamas are an example of post-racism, or something).

Haha, I'm surprised no one's jumped on me and called me a "SJW"!!! yet tbh

Oops, that =/= sign should have been a = one. Anyways, time for me to go to bed, instead of arguing with random anonymous person/people on fs

You're being very polite - which I appreciate in this type of discussion - so I'm trying to think of a way to phrase this question that doesn't sound blunt and rude, but just know that it is a genuine question: Do you disregard the existence of the dictionary and its definitions and contribution to language?

How's it not racism if it's because of her race? Racism has definitions having nothing to do with power. Not to mention, if a kid getting bullied for their race is surrounded by a different race doing the bullying they are not in power, no matter what the city or state or country's majority and minority races are.

I guess I just don't see how whether or not it shows up again later in life has to do with the incident?

And as a woman, yes, I would say men can face discrimination by female peers for being male.

Did you read my reply to the anon who replied to me above you? I tried to explain it more there.
Btw, I study sociology (something that is a legitimate academic area of study, js), and I don't really come across racism being used as a term to describe something that white people face in the West.

NA

Btw, I study sociology

And I study American culture/history but that doesn't give me the qualification to speak about the US (or about Mexico and Canada, for that matter) like I'm the fucking expert of the field. Not to mention that saying that you can talk about complex social issues just because you study ~sociology~ at the uni is just, wow. Everyone studies sociology nowadays, even if it isn't their main track, it basically means jack shit, especially since most teachers are unable to view their own work objectively. In many cases different classes that focus on the same subject but taught by different teachers contradict each other.

IF you said that, IDK, you have been on the sociology field (as a professor) for twenty or thirty years now, (and if you said you are from some non-American or non-English speaking country), maybe I would give you some credit, but this way you just come across as the typical college-age SJW who has too much free time in their hands and think they will change the world by studying a currently trendy subject (which will eventually bore them after the fad wears off).

DA

I study sociology

I almost thought you were Curseangel for a minute, but you are far too polite.

I lol'd.

How many white people actually live in non-Eurocentric countries?

Face/palm.

Um, could you actually reply to my comment with an actual statement or fact?

Because white people only count when they are the majority.

The answer is, of course, a fucking lot. Millions of white people live in non-white majority countries. There are white people in every fucking country in the world.

Yeah, they do, but how many non-white majority countries are there in which white people make up a significant minority group? Maybe I just don't know. I do agree that white people face discrimination in foreign countries, (I remember being an exchange student in Japan and facing stereotypes, unfair judments, restrictions, etc), and I never said non-Caucasians aren't racist, (hoo boy, can they ever be), but white people are typically not a significant enough/established enough demographic in these countries for there actually to make institutionalized white racism a problem.

If you have any cases that contradict this, I'd be open to hearing about it.

NAYRT
Since you were an exchange student in Japan: Japan has some lovely cases of institutionalised racism - I have a few (white) friends who live there, job and everything, and it was almost impossible for them to get several sort of legal papers, not to mention a place to live just because they weren't Japanese.

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