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⌈ Secret Post #2007 ⌋

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Comments

[fadeinthewash]

Why? "Passing the Bechdel test" doesn't necessarily make a feminist story/characters and not passing means it doesn't. It's a good metric for how poorly female characters are treated as a matter of course, but technically, 2 women having a 30 second conversation about shoes would pass... not exactly useful overall.

Plus, if every movie had to pass, you'd kinda lose out on stories that historically are male-centric. Anything involving submarines in a historic war setting, for example. I don't think Band of Brothers passes (hell, I can only think of 1 female character period), but it's a phenomenal miniseries nonetheless. Etc etc.

[brooms]

2 women having a 30 second conversation about shoes would pass... not exactly useful overall.

yeah, but i'm betting most writers, producers and directors would rather not waste even those 30 seconds. in crowded ensemble movies like the avengers, for instance, 30 secs is a whole fucking lot. if writers had to pass the test, i'm betting at least some of them would end up figuring out that women can chat about stuff useful to the plot as well - ~CRAZY, i know.

you'd kinda lose out on stories that historically are male-centric.

... and there's such a dearth of those, right? so rare. but fine, this fictional rule of mine can have historical/situational exceptions.

[fadeinthewash]

if writers had to pass the test, i'm betting at least some of them would end up figuring out that women can chat about stuff useful to the plot as well

Fair point.

... and there's such a dearth of those, right? so rare.

I'm just saying, there's more to a good story than "two women had a chat," and that the Bechdel test is not the be-all, end-all of feminist/equalist dialogue writing or even necessarily story-telling in general.

[brooms]

no. it's a start supposed to make a person sit down and think, "why on earth do i have such a hard time, again and again, writing a script that passes this incredibly basic test?"

and then move from there.

[fadeinthewash]

I guess I'm just looking at it as an incredibly basic test...that also is pretty meaningless for any one script. It'd be better than nothing, I suppose, but I don't think it'd really be that useful in the long run. We'd just quickly hit another plateau of women having short conversations (potentially still petty and/or sexist) and then right back to manapalooza (either by focusing on those male characters or by having every other conversation be about men). Which I guess brings us back to "still better than nothing" but *shrug*.

[brooms]

that also is pretty meaningless for any one script.

i think it's kind of obvious by now i'm not thinking in terms of any one script.

i'm more optimistic than you because a lot of movies just can't afford to waste time on this - brodeoactionbrodeoactionbrodeoaction random scene of nameless women the audience doesn't care about talking about things the audience doesn't care about and are useless to the overall story and characters brodeoactionbrodeoaction.

the clock can tick very fast when you have to wrap everything up in just over 2 hours.

and it would basically mean writers would have to get in more than one woman with a speaking role. i'm pretty cynical, but not enough to believe every script writer would take this as an invitation to be petty and write a 10 seconds scene of the leading lady buying tampons and discussing the weather with the female cashier.

anyway, it will never happen! all will continue as is. yay.