[ SECRET POST #2007 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2007 ⌋

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Comments

[fuchsiascreams]

Okay, but do you understand that it's possible to be pro-life and also pro-choice at the same time?

da

[(Anonymous)]

...wow, there is a name for my position? Like, I'd prefer if there weren't abortions at all, but I recognize that sometimes that's simply the best decision for both the baby-to-be-born and the mother (and by extension, the family and environment they're being born into).

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

...that's just called being pro-choice. People who are pro-choice don't actually like abortion and they think it would be pretty great if women weren't ever in the position to need one, but they know that sometimes it's just the best choice. You can be pro-choice while also knowing that it would never be the right choice for you personally.

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

Ohhhhh. Okay.

[(Anonymous)]

No, it's not. Pro-lifers are by definition anti-choice.

Unless they're using some different meaning for the word pro-life that doesn't include being against abortion.

[diet_poison]

Fine, I'll bite.

By definition, pro-choicers are anti-life. Unless they're using some other meaning for the phrase that doesn't include thinking it's ok to kill unborn human beings.

(see how silly this is?)

[(Anonymous)]

It's only silly because you're being utterly obtuse. It wouldn't be silly at all if the "pro-life" side hadn't chosen a dumb as fuck term for themselves that doesn't really represent their stance well at all. One side is for letting women have the choice to give birth or not, whether or not they agree with that choice or would make if for themselves. They are pro-choice.

The other side is against letting women have this choice. They are anti-choice in this circumstance. You could also go with 'anti-abortion' (except then they'd try to paint the other side as 'pro-abortion', which is inaccurate, as many pro-choice people would rather abortions don't happen, but think women deserve the right to choose) or 'pro-forced pregnancy/birth' (anti-forced birth/pregnancy is an accurate summation of the other side).

[diet_poison]

I could still take your arguments and reverse them the way I did before, and we would continue like this over and over again and get nowhere. You're also missing a lot of the connotation both terms carry which, believe it or not, is important.

Anyway - you won't agree to respect the term a movement has chosen for itself. I'm not too inclined to fight about it.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

Why the fuck should I or anyone else have to respect the label of a movement that is trying to take away my rights?

[(Anonymous)]

Quit trying to draw false equivalences between the absoluteness of the two positions.

Pro-choicers are not trying to make everyone that is pregnant get an abortion.

Anti-choicers (aka pro-lifers) are trying to make everyone that is pregnant carry their pregnancies to term.

It's not about whether or not the fetus is alive or a human being. It's about believing women have the right to decide whether or not they want to let their bodies be used as incubators. Suggesting women should be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term is about as ridiculous and against someone's right to bodily autonomy as suggesting people should be forced to donate a kidney against their will.

[diet_poison]

It's not about whether or not the fetus is alive or a human being.

Why not? Seriously, I want to know why you think this isn't important.

[fuchsiascreams]

..you can be pro-choice and also not want babies to die at the same time. Please stop trying to tell me what my beliefs are according to your labels.