[ SECRET POST #2007 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2007 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, honestly, if you're anti-choice you should not call yourself a feminist.

So it's good that you don't. Thanks for that.

[diet_poison]

rme at "anti-choice".

I don't call pro-choice people "anti-life". That would be absolutely ridiculous, and it doesn't make sense either. Do you realize how much of a douche you look like when you go out of your way to slap a falsifying label on someone you don't agree with?

Thanks for proving my point. Both of them, really.

[(Anonymous)]

I wouldn't have even mentioned it dawg. While I hate the idea of abortions as well I've gotten into the same argument a few times. People have their heads to far up their asses to think there's more than just black and white.

You're automatically anti-choice, male, Republican and Christian because us guys on the internet don't judge. No sir.

[(Anonymous)]

Lol, the only person implying they're male, Republican or Christian because they're anti-choice is you.

[(Anonymous)]

At the moment, maybe. I assure you this isn't the only place this has ever come up.

[diet_poison]

I don't think people assume you're male if you say you're pro-life. They might assume you're a republican, though. (I am neither...)

[stainless]

For what it's worth, I totally agree. I'm pro-choice, but I think calling people "anti-choice" is a cheap dig (just like calling people "anti-life" is.) I've never understood what's so horrible about calling people what they want to be called. It's easy enough to say "These people go by an innocuous name, but I think they're very wrong in a very destructive way" and avoid silly name-calling.

[(Anonymous)]

Except that if you're pro-choice you're not 'anti-life.' All that being pro-choice means is that you respect women's bodily autonomy and right to choose whether or not they want to be an incubator for an unborn baby.

If you're 'pro-life' that means you are against women's ability to choose what happens in their body, ie you are anti-choice.

It's really simple. Stop trying to make false equivalencies.

[diet_poison]

So am I anti-choice if I believe you shouldn't be allowed to pick up a gun and shoot someone who didn't provoke you, or drive a car on a sidewalk on a school campus, or bring explosive material onto an airplane? And it's not just human lives that curb choice - it's also not okay to have sex with someone who has been drugged, or set fire to someone else's house, or lock a person up in your closet for a week.

People who are pro-life aren't out to destroy the choices of people. We just recognize that one person's rights end where the other person's rights begin. Society is CHALK FULL of instances where peoples' choices are limited in order to protect the rights of others. No one is purposely trying to figure out how we can eliminate the choices of women even more (trollish glee)!!! We like people to have as many choices in their lives as possible - we just recognize that those choices have limitations in order to protect others' rights to be alive, be free, and ultimately make their own choices one day too.

In the same way, I know that most pro-choice people aren't out to see how many babiez they can kill, and most don't have a flippant attitude about the value of human life. We just disagree on things like whether an unborn person is a living human, whether their right to life is especially important, etc. I know most people in existence would like to eliminate *situations* where women find themselves facing that choice.

So I don't think you are anti-life. And I am not anti-choice. Most of all, your unwillingness to respect the label I choose for my beliefs shows me that you are not able to have a reasonable discussion about it, that you would have a very hard time being objective, and that you're more interested in being rude to people you disagree with than actually accomplishing anything.

[fuchsiascreams]

Okay, but do you understand that it's possible to be pro-life and also pro-choice at the same time?

da

[(Anonymous)]

...wow, there is a name for my position? Like, I'd prefer if there weren't abortions at all, but I recognize that sometimes that's simply the best decision for both the baby-to-be-born and the mother (and by extension, the family and environment they're being born into).

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

...that's just called being pro-choice. People who are pro-choice don't actually like abortion and they think it would be pretty great if women weren't ever in the position to need one, but they know that sometimes it's just the best choice. You can be pro-choice while also knowing that it would never be the right choice for you personally.

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

Ohhhhh. Okay.

[(Anonymous)]

No, it's not. Pro-lifers are by definition anti-choice.

Unless they're using some different meaning for the word pro-life that doesn't include being against abortion.

[diet_poison]

Fine, I'll bite.

By definition, pro-choicers are anti-life. Unless they're using some other meaning for the phrase that doesn't include thinking it's ok to kill unborn human beings.

(see how silly this is?)

[(Anonymous)]

It's only silly because you're being utterly obtuse. It wouldn't be silly at all if the "pro-life" side hadn't chosen a dumb as fuck term for themselves that doesn't really represent their stance well at all. One side is for letting women have the choice to give birth or not, whether or not they agree with that choice or would make if for themselves. They are pro-choice.

The other side is against letting women have this choice. They are anti-choice in this circumstance. You could also go with 'anti-abortion' (except then they'd try to paint the other side as 'pro-abortion', which is inaccurate, as many pro-choice people would rather abortions don't happen, but think women deserve the right to choose) or 'pro-forced pregnancy/birth' (anti-forced birth/pregnancy is an accurate summation of the other side).

[diet_poison]

I could still take your arguments and reverse them the way I did before, and we would continue like this over and over again and get nowhere. You're also missing a lot of the connotation both terms carry which, believe it or not, is important.

Anyway - you won't agree to respect the term a movement has chosen for itself. I'm not too inclined to fight about it.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

Why the fuck should I or anyone else have to respect the label of a movement that is trying to take away my rights?

[(Anonymous)]

Quit trying to draw false equivalences between the absoluteness of the two positions.

Pro-choicers are not trying to make everyone that is pregnant get an abortion.

Anti-choicers (aka pro-lifers) are trying to make everyone that is pregnant carry their pregnancies to term.

It's not about whether or not the fetus is alive or a human being. It's about believing women have the right to decide whether or not they want to let their bodies be used as incubators. Suggesting women should be forced to carry unwanted pregnancies to term is about as ridiculous and against someone's right to bodily autonomy as suggesting people should be forced to donate a kidney against their will.

[diet_poison]

It's not about whether or not the fetus is alive or a human being.

Why not? Seriously, I want to know why you think this isn't important.

[fuchsiascreams]

..you can be pro-choice and also not want babies to die at the same time. Please stop trying to tell me what my beliefs are according to your labels.