[ SECRET POST #2008 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2008 ⌋

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Comments

[anonymouslyyours]

So you're saying on one hand fiction sets us up for unrealistic fantasies as children and on the other you're saying everyone knows it's unrealistic so it has no real impact?

not anon you replied to

[(Anonymous)]

For all that we tend to underestimate how perceptive children are... yeah, they're not very good at knowing that those are unrealistic expectations when they're taking their cues from media (and possibly school, which can be biased or watered down when it comes to adult life) and adults are still a mystery to them.

Re: not anon you replied to

[anonymouslyyours]

I've had this issue several times before when people say something isn't a big deal because it's just fantasy. Unrealistic fantasy about fantasy =/= unrealistic fantasy about real life situations and issues.

ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly! Fighting down a dragon doesn't happen in real life (...yet BD), but earning the respect of your peers for doing something brave is something that happens in real life.

Just like having the story end with the hero marrying his childhood friend that he totally had a crush on but who always ignored him because he "earned her" is also a "real life" element (wrong, terribly wrong, but still something that the audience can translate into real life regardless of context because romance, friendship, etc. are things that happen no matter the place), despite being in a fantasy framework.

Re: ayrt

[anonymouslyyours]

I had an argument today about the hero "deserving" or "earning" his love interest in which I got so angry I actually started hopping around like a demented easter bunny. The guy I was arguing presented that as a legitimate idea but I'm pretty sure he wouldn't present his ideas on how to kill a dragon as factual.

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

I was legitimately surprised and angry when I first found out just how many men and boys genuinely have that expectation.

It seems that many women and girls also expect to find their one true love that was made just for them, but, I don't know, I just don't get the feeling that they demand it, not in the same way and with the same vehemence that I've heard some men express it.

It goes for both genders, but it seems that it's more a social hit for a man not to "have a girl" than it is for a woman to "have a boy", and that's not to say that single women aren't frowned upon depending on where they live and how old they are, etc., but there is just this assumption that the woman is to be earned and be pretty to capture attention and the man has to work hard and try to get one of their own, like they're a shiny pokemon or something.

I surprisingly, pleasantly, don't see it as much as I expected in real life, but thanks to the internet I'm seeing opinions from many more people that I would never meet in real life from places I would never visit or live in, and the findings are sometimes plain scary.

Re: ayrt

[anonymouslyyours]

It also pisses me off that they genuinely expect to have a woman who is vastly more attractive than them and is "better" than them morally who loves them for just being themselves. I remember actually listening to a couple fight about the girlfriend having done something the boyfriend had done to her repeatedly and had her forgive him for and him getting unreasonably angry over it and yelling "You're supposed to be better than me! That's why I love you!" and just wanting to cry at the level of fail there.

I also got in an argument with a guy who called a girl shallow for not wanting to date him because he didn't share her active lifestyle. She likes hiking, swimming, biking, and several other sports. Why is it shallow to want someone who shares her level of fitness and those interests? It's not like he would be happy if she stopped doing all of that to spend time gaming with him and her shape changed as a result of that.