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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-07-02 06:36 pm

[ SECRET POST #2008 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2008 ⌋

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gethenian: (POINT!)

[personal profile] gethenian 2012-07-03 06:29 am (UTC)(link)
I'll have to see it before I can say anything about Brave, but I agree you don't often see positive mother/daughter relationships portrayed in animated films unless it's used as what I feel is simple emotional manipulation, which I think is lazy as hell and it pisses me off.

I loved the complexity of the relationship in Tangled. I thought that was delightfully, refreshingly sophisticated. But that complexity wasn't a positive thing.

...and now I am trying to think of where I've ever seen a positive mother/daughter relationship maintained throughout an animated film.... uhh.... hmmm....

Well there's The Aristocats... ummmmmm..... Quest for Camelot...

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...well shit. Beyond those, even after skimming through most of Wikipedia's list of animated feature films, there's not a single other movie I can find in which a mother/daughter relationship features prominently in the movie. Oh, there are a good number where there are major characters who have living mothers who love them, but they're not a focus, at all. Like that little girl's mom in Balto. They're established to exist but the story doesn't need them beyond that. The ONLY things I can think of that are a stretch are those orphan movies like All Dogs Go to Heaven and The Rescuers where there's a little girl who wants parents and ultimately finds a mother who loves her... in the last 10 minutes or so of the movie...

Otherwise, it's fathers and sons, fathers and daughters, or mothers and sons.

And now I'm realizing how distinct this trend is and now I'm REALLY fascinated by it. What the hell, how are there only TWO MOVIES beside this in which a positive relationship between a mother and daughter is a major part of the story???

FASCINATING.
gabzillaz: (HTTYD <3)

[personal profile] gabzillaz 2012-07-03 01:24 pm (UTC)(link)
It IS fascinating.... and really sad :( You'll notice that there aren't many movies - especially animated - where the female main character has female friends, this one included, either. On the top of my head, I can think of Princess and the Frog and Pocahontas, and only in one of them the friendship was an important part of the plot.

(Anonymous) 2012-07-03 11:17 pm (UTC)(link)
FASCINATING.

I would add to this that father/daughter relationships receive more positive portrayals than mother/son relationships. What's more, close father/daughter relationships often take place while the girl's still in contact with her mother, but close mother/son relationships usually take place in the absence of a father. Also, in any story where a parent's left alone with the kids and goes crazy - invariably the mother.

I wouldn't mind but - in the UK ay least - the overwhelming majority of one-parent households have a mother rather than a father and from the time families had to divy up care-giving duties that has almost always fallen to the mother.

Seriously, where's the gothic horror film about the Victorian man who's forced to abandon a decent career in order to care for his small children, with whom his relationship is distant at best, and has to run a household which he has no idea how to do - all while the children keep demanding to know where mummy is? I was going to end this sentence with him snapping and killing them, but it could also be quite awesome if his wife came back to haunt him when he started mistreating the children.

...sorry, i clearly have to go off and write something. If you'll excuse me.

(Anonymous) 2012-07-04 11:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Tell us when you're done, please? I'd read it in a heartbeat!