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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-07-02 06:36 pm

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(Anonymous) 2012-07-03 06:55 am (UTC)(link)
Oh the poor oppressed menz. Won't someone think of them?

"Overwhelming power" puhleeze. In those same societies women are held in abusive relationships by men who threaten and sometimes act on "I'll kill the kids if you leave"; are terrified that every time they co-operate in contsact their children will be abducted or injured by violent ex partners, that at the very least the kids will be systematically turned against them.

I've seen it happen, I'm not interested in your inaccurate MRA sob story.
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[personal profile] loki 2012-07-03 08:28 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, my partner's a family lawyer, and the number of stories I've heard... the possessive rage, born of a long long history of men asserting their rights over women's reproductive rights, comes to bear in the lawyer's office, and there's a silent button you can call for security. It's a very risky profession, statistically.

And every time I hear about a man killing children, I wince and die a little inside, because I know in 95% of cases he will be an angry jilted father using his kids as disposable possessions to get back at his female ex.

I don't know about other countries, but thanks to feminism, in Australia, men and women in practice have equal rights of access to children, and this works out, as long as the bio-father is willing, which he isn't always, and he isn't an abusive fuck, which isn't that uncommon. Thank god the conservative previous government's MRA-fuelled law that saw convicted paedophile fathers given access to their children FOR THE MENZ RIGHTS, was overturned.

If a child is conceived the traditional way, then the bio-father is considered legally to have an equal stake & responsibility in the child's life, no matter what he or anyone else thinks of that. (Is this fair or feminist? It certainly cuts both ways.) If you want to conceive a baby that the bio-father does not have rights over, then you'd better do it with a vial and syringe

And don't even get me started on the men who call up Legal Aid and demand that their partner or ex be somehow forcibly restrained from exercising will over their own damn bodies by terminating an unwanted pregnancy. It's called patriarchy for a reason. This is why Republicans.

/tl;dr fjkfsdlj rant

(Anonymous) 2012-07-03 04:00 pm (UTC)(link)
None of these are things women are unable to enact on men, so that's not really a good counter-argument.

(Anonymous) 2012-07-03 10:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not talking about able or unable, I'm talking about what happens in practice [see the first response to my comment from the lawyer's partner above for a taste] and how male power is upheld and encouraged by social expectation and conditioning.

In theory, women are "able" to physically/emotionally abuse men. However, men are not, in practice, more than a small minority of abusees, specially in het partnerships. So to talk as though the situation is entirely equal in this, and in custody disputes, and free of the context orf *what actually happens*, is disingenuous of you and my point stands.

(Anonymous) 2012-07-04 04:04 am (UTC)(link)
You have to take into account, though, the shame put upon abused men and the different attitudes towards boys who are sexually abused by women. Women are encouraged to report abuse; men are laughed at for it. Underage girls who have sex with men are seen as victims; underage boys who have sex with women are seen as studs. Law enforcement is much quicker to act on cases of men abusing women than women abusing men. Women abusers are far less likely to go away for their actions because there is an assumption that any abuse is warranted. In cases of abuse, a woman's word holds more weight than a man's. So you can't say men are rarely abused so it doesn't matter if they are.

The thing is, there are a lot of things women can do regarding their children that men can't, a lot of privileges they have that men don't. Abuse doesn't temper these in any way. Society encourages women to report abuse, rape, and sexual assault, but finds it a personal fault if a man is abused and there is a strong belief that a man cannot be raped or sexually assaulted by a woman. This makes any statistics unlikely to be an accurate reflection of the truth.
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[personal profile] diet_poison 2012-07-07 01:28 pm (UTC)(link)
I think abuse of men by women is way more common than you think. It's almost always emotional/psychological abuse in those cases and it definitely happens.