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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-07-09 06:41 pm

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Sorry, but everything 'Watson' has been stripped

(Anonymous) 2012-07-09 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Nope, she's not a war veteran and her medical license has been revoked!
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Re: Sorry, but everything 'Watson' has been stripped

[personal profile] habilelapin 2012-07-09 11:29 pm (UTC)(link)
...Then what was the POINT of doing this show? Is Sherlock a social butterfly?

Re: Sorry, but everything 'Watson' has been stripped

(Anonymous) 2012-07-10 06:22 am (UTC)(link)
They couldn't get the rights to Sherlock. Simple as that.

Re: Sorry, but everything 'Watson' has been stripped

[personal profile] anonymouslyyours 2012-07-09 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
What. Why? Has any other Watson incarnation been stripped of his medical license? Wasn't even frickin' mouse Watson a doctor?
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Re: Sorry, but everything 'Watson' has been stripped

[personal profile] fenm 2012-07-09 11:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Has any other Watson incarnation been stripped of his medical license?

Not that I've heard of (though there have been a few unconventional Watsons, including a few who weren't doctors at all).

Wasn't even frickin' mouse Watson a doctor?

Yep. He was also a veteran, for that matter.
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Re: Sorry, but everything 'Watson' has been stripped

[personal profile] habilelapin 2012-07-09 11:39 pm (UTC)(link)
...Thank you for that information. I'm off to beat some writers with a baseball bat now. Back in a minute.
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Re: Sorry, but everything 'Watson' has been stripped

[personal profile] fenm 2012-07-09 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Hee...

In fairness, my info comes from the Disney movie The Great Mouse Detective; I'm never read the Basil of Baker Street books.
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Re: Sorry, but everything 'Watson' has been stripped

[personal profile] habilelapin 2012-07-09 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Taking away Watson's medical license and military service is like taking away the whole character. It's an insult. It's like taking away Wonder Woman's powers and Amazon-badassitude.

OH WAIT they did that once and people fucking hated it.
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Re: Sorry, but everything 'Watson' has been stripped

[personal profile] fenm 2012-07-09 11:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Hee. I can imagine.. ~_~
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Re: Sorry, but everything 'Watson' has been stripped

[personal profile] habilelapin 2012-07-09 11:54 pm (UTC)(link)
The sixties were a hard time on everyone. Even comic books couldn't escape.

Re: Sorry, but everything 'Watson' has been stripped

[personal profile] anonymouslyyours 2012-07-09 11:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Perhaps we should concur on your alibi first?
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Re: Sorry, but everything 'Watson' has been stripped

[personal profile] habilelapin 2012-07-09 11:48 pm (UTC)(link)
"I couldn't of done it, officer. I'm a woman, and everyone knows women can't be angry people with awful life experiences that don't involve sexual abuse."

Re: Sorry, but everything 'Watson' has been stripped

[personal profile] anonymouslyyours 2012-07-09 11:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, you've got it covered! How unfeminine of you!
Edited 2012-07-09 23:54 (UTC)
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Re: Sorry, but everything 'Watson' has been stripped

[personal profile] habilelapin 2012-07-09 11:56 pm (UTC)(link)
You know, I just realized that they might explain away her Watson-Is-Just-As-Crazy-As-Holmes-Has-Anyone-Else-Noticed-That?-ness by making her a survivor of sexual assault, instead of a war vet.

Because that hasn't become a tired, sexist trope, or anything.

Re: Sorry, but everything 'Watson' has been stripped

[personal profile] anonymouslyyours 2012-07-09 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I thought that too but didn't want to jinx it!

/Is anyone else getting the vibe this is just another serious Psych knockoff e.g. (The Mentalist) and isn't really getting where the Holmes flavor comes in?

Re: Sorry, but everything 'Watson' has been stripped

(Anonymous) - 2012-07-10 02:00 (UTC) - Expand

Re: Sorry, but everything 'Watson' has been stripped

[personal profile] anonymouslyyours 2012-07-09 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
So Liu!Watson's defining characteristics so far is girl and incompetent?
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Re: Sorry, but everything 'Watson' has been stripped

[personal profile] fenm 2012-07-09 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Pretty much, yeah.
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Re: Sorry, but everything 'Watson' has been stripped

[personal profile] habilelapin 2012-07-09 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Apparently.
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Re: Sorry, but everything 'Watson' has been stripped

[personal profile] fauxkaren 2012-07-10 12:06 am (UTC)(link)
Um. No.

Much like the Watson in the original stories, she's someone who is currently purposeless in her life and finds herself caught up in Sherlock's mysteries and world.
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Re: Sorry, but everything 'Watson' has been stripped

[personal profile] habilelapin 2012-07-10 12:08 am (UTC)(link)
But why can't she just be Watson and do that?

Re: Sorry, but everything 'Watson' has been stripped

[personal profile] anonymouslyyours 2012-07-10 12:08 am (UTC)(link)
Correct me if I'm wrong but that can be achieved without "lol you suck at your job" unless they're going to spin it as her medical license was revoked for doing the right thing.

Also, the same effect could be accomplished the way it always has before... with her as a returning veteran. She wasn't even discharged or anything, that just got handwaved away apparently.
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Re: Sorry, but everything 'Watson' has been stripped

[personal profile] fauxkaren 2012-07-10 12:10 am (UTC)(link)
Even people who are great at their job can make a mistake. I think that it's going to turn out that Joan made a mistake that cost a patient his or her life (despite being a generally competent doctor) and that will also give her something that haunts her instead of PTSD from being in a war or something like that.

This is a different take on the story while still keeping the themes intact. I mean, she's still basically the same person and will have the same dynamic with Sherlock, as far as I can tell. I really don't think it's a huge deal for the specific circumstances to have changed.
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Re: Sorry, but everything 'Watson' has been stripped

[personal profile] habilelapin 2012-07-10 12:17 am (UTC)(link)
Except it is. Being a soldier in a war makes for an entirely different person. Personally, I believed it was what gave Watson what was needed to deal with Sherlock, who is not the easiest person to like. War breaks you down and rebuilds you into someone sharper, and that person dealt with Sherlock because he'd already dealt with the worst the world had to offer. Even Sherlock in hos worst temper can't compete with that.

I felt like it gave him the strength to fight with Sherlock when needed too, because unlike everyone else, his intellect didn't frighten him. And he defended him, when need be, because he'd been trained to know how. He was Sherlock's compliment.

There's no reason to change a backstory that defined him, unless you don't really want Watson.

Re: Sorry, but everything 'Watson' has been stripped

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Re: Sorry, but everything 'Watson' has been stripped

(Anonymous) 2012-07-10 12:10 pm (UTC)(link)
As someone who has actually seen the pilot: No. Not at all. I'm not entirely sure why they changed her backstory, but she is still highly competent in (to echo a comparison from above) a bit of a Pepper Potts type way. AND she shows some talent at deduction already.

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Re: Sorry, but everything 'Watson' has been stripped

[personal profile] la_petite_singe 2012-07-10 02:38 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I really don't like that idea--not because it's not ~exact to the original stories or whatever, but because it kinda feels like they're taking away her 'strength' (not in a physical sense, but in a career/accomplishment sense) so she won't overshadow Sherlock too much. Like, he's 'damaged' because of his addiction and troubles with the law or whatever, but she has to be worse off so he's not intimidated. Because she's a woman now, she can't 'outrank' him. Noooooot here for that.