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fandomsecrets2012-07-09 06:41 pm
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(Anonymous) 2012-07-10 02:05 am (UTC)(link)But yeah, I think most of the issues with them have been pointed out? General ignorance, especially in the ways of sexism, homophobia, fat-shaming.... Will I be attacked for contextualizing? I think it's not telling the whole story unless it's pointed out that the offensive opinions they've expressed were most likely the ones they saw all around them growing up (in a society whose revolutions for the rights of women, lgbt-spectrum folks, and others are more recent or only coming about now). I don't think that necessarily forgives the ignorance, but it does give me hope that there's room to grow and change.
SM Entertainment is infamous for mistreatment of artists - all of which is only rumored, as far as I know... hitting/beating artists, forced diets (to the point of malnutrition), driving artists to sickness because of exhaustion, pushing them through sickness (there's this video which is kinda blurry but has lead people to believe that Han Geng, an ex-member of SJ, was pushed to keep practicing even while coughing up blood), bigotry (forcing Han Geng to wear a mask while performing since he's Chinese), and general just... ugh... (I remember reading somewhere that SM monitors SNSD's periods?). Then there was SHINee's manager, who smacked a fan in the back of her head.
But you see the way SM attacks those who try to leave (Han Geng, JYJ), and it's understandable why more don't try to get out. They make money, they have a place to live, they're adored, their college education is paid for... and SM will do everything in their power to make it as hard as possible for anyone who leaves to have a career outside of SME.
... Or, ya know, the OP could just be like a really big YG stan and tells everyone they hate SM artists and it's as simple as that.
Or it's totally about pirating and "dirty" was just an odd word choice.
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(Anonymous) 2012-07-10 04:13 am (UTC)(link)While some of the SM practices are unsavory, I... don't really care about that. While the politics of it all can be really unpleasant, I care about the actual people and how they act and present themselves as entertainers. I really like Junsu, I try and make believe the other two don't exist (it's amazing how that whole hitting a fan thing has almost disappeared from the internet).
Emotional maturity is important to me. Knowing when to keep your mouth shut is important. I am sure a lot of different K-pop idols don't like homosexuality, but Siwon is one of the few who has actually gone out and said negative things about it. Most people are kind of awful in a lot of ways, but if you're an extremely public entertainer, you have to watch what comes out of your mouth.
Also, while I find ones like Shindong, Leeteuk and Siwon distasteful, it's the fact that they all basically hate each other that creeps me out the most. Most groups you can tell they have a real camaraderie with each other (like Bigbang, or B.A.P for a new group). Super Junior admits to having regular fights in their dormitories. And 'boys will be boys' is NEVER an excuse for physical violence.
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(Anonymous) 2012-07-10 05:11 am (UTC)(link)Can't get into EXO for some reason, but SHINee are the ones who got me into kpop, so they always have a huge place in my heart.
To be honest, I've been out of the SuJu fandom for long enough that I'm not totally familiar with the group dynamics or... like... much that's gone on with them lately. This is the first I'm hearing about the fighting, but it makes me happy to be not as invested as I once was.
I totally agree with that. My stanning is generally directed towards 2PM now, but I wouldn't touch them with a 30-foot pole for a long time because I absolutely couldn't get past Junho's homophobic comments. At this point, I've learned to... uh... appreciate him, but homophobia is one of those things that's always gonna hit me in the no-nope-just-gonna-back-away-now spot. Despite that, I would like to believe that there's at least a chance that those bigoted views could be brought around~ :/
The camaraderie you're talking about is one of the things that has ended up making me love 2PM so much... and I'm sad that it isn't the same for SuJu (I do adore them, just from afar at this point~ >>). Then again, they - or any other group, for that matter - could just be hiding it better than SJ, I guess :|
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(Anonymous) 2012-08-29 01:30 am (UTC)(link)