[ SECRET POST #2016 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2016 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

yeah, but geeks are just portrayed as underdogs and goofy, often lovably goofy, losers not bad people. Also, being a geek isn't even looked on as bad by a lot of people. I'd rather get called a geek than a crazy bitch. And I disagree- TONS of male media is sexual, and yeah, the guys get called creepy and pervy but it's not anywhere near the level of complete disgust everyone has for twilight fans.
What's wrong with some self-insert wishes? I doubt Manly McDudebro is watching Action Movie 7: Revenge of the Revenge and thinking "wow, what great character development" when Blake P. Badass is making out with Penelope Plot Device.

[wauwy]

I'm tasting a good deal of truth in this tea right here.

[wauwy]

I'm going to go further and say I see a lot of "I'm Not Like Those Girls (tm)" when it's other women hating on Twilight fans. Like, lbr, most of us here have embarrassing fandom obsessions and fantasies, but somehow any of them are so much better that what these useless housemarms like, even if they're SUSPICIOUSLY SIMILAR in many ways (the sexually-charged frenzy, for one).

And if the fandom stuff WE'RE obsessed with happens to be traditionally masculine-oriented, like comic books or video games, that makes us even better. Whew, we're not like THOSE girls.

[majorshipper]

Agreeing with you and the comment above. So much.

[loki]

Fuck yes. Can't stand this sexist rationalisation.

[writerserenyty]

Agreed so hard

[jlh]

Could not agree more

[mechanosapience]

In my experience, there are different flavors of geek, some of which are more socially acceptable than others. Gamers, for instance, don't get much flack, but God help you if you play tabletop RPGs.

[thene]

I keep being told this but it's never happened to me, not in 12 years of tabletop. I've heard LARP get a lot more public flack.

[mechanosapience]

It's a matter of degrees. LARPing is even less socially acceptable than tabletop, but I've gotten shit for both.

[lovelycudy]

I know tabletop RPGs have bad rep, I think it has to do with the fact that videogames are much more popular.

[sandor051.livejournal.com]

Men who are obsessed with things are portrayed as dangerous, pathetic, failures of men.

Women who're obsessed are portrayed in a mocking light sure, but it lacks that certain undercurrent you get with the reverse. It's 'oh those silly wymnz what are they like' but doesn't fundamentally undermine the patriarchal role enforced upon them - whereas a nerdy guy really into gaming or whatever is seen as lacking the very qualities needed to fulfil the gender role enforced upon him.

Like maybe this is one of those weird cultural quirks, but I'm reminded very of seeing arguments like 'oh men get away with crying in the workplace more then women!' that make me wonder.

[meadowphoenix]

Wait, I'm confused as to what you're saying. The patriarchal role enforced upon women being undermined is a good thing. However, "Oh those silly women" is a reinforcement of patriarchal roles, which is a terrible thing. I agree with you that "nerds" are said to lack some gender qualities, primarily masculinity. But the presumption is always that those nerds can gain those gender qualities they lack by some action (which I do think is harmful, but noting that manly qualities are proven by action is important). Reinforcement of gender roles for women mean that society will see those qualities as inherent. Such gender roles are harmful to the spectrum of both genders, but it's much harder to argue against something society thinks is inherent.

Nerds are still valuable assets in entertainment and business, in controlling positions like director/producer/CEO. How many crazy bitches are considered valuable?

[sandor051.livejournal.com]

I'm saying that obsession in men is seen in a more negative light then in women.

Within the boundaries of the patriarchy each gender is defined by the extent to which they conform to the gendered expectations placed upon them.

In women obsessions like this are seen as tertiary and not detracting from that, whereas in men these obsessions are seen to directly work against the expectations set out for them.

Whether this should be the case (obviously I would disagree with this state of affairs) is irrelevant to the question of how they are.

"Nerds are still valuable assets in entertainment and business, in controlling positions like director/producer/CEO. How many crazy bitches are considered valuable?"

This doesn't really follow does it? Many women succeed in modelling, or otherwise celebrity related fields but this doesn't say anything about how they are perceived in general and what we prescribe to them no? Unless you're making a point about the men as actors women as acted upon approach to the portrayal of these obsessions, in which case that'd be an interesting avenue for discussion I suppose.

[meadowphoenix]

To me it's the difference between a socially aberrant trait for men and a socially inherent trait for women, in how obsession is seen, and I think you and I are saying the same thing there.

However the negative effects of that portrayal do not effect men in success as much as they affect women. Being perceived as a nerd, even a hard-core one, is not something that socially discourages you from most professions, and such nerds are revered in entertainment. That simply isn't the case with "crazy bitches," not even in modelling. It's probably more accurate to say that nerds don't have the same drag as crazy bitches.

That's specifically for nerd/crazy. However socially aberrant behavior in men doesn't have a more prohibitive value than the same behavior considered socially inherent in women necessarily or even usually. Moreover, if the "negative" behavior isn't immediately evident, a woman will automatically be assumed to have the negative behavior and judged accordingly and a man will not, since it is aberrant for him.

[loki]

Men who are obsessed with things are portrayed as dangerous, pathetic, failures of men.

Like football, or breasts - ?

[hiyami]

yeah, but geeks are just portrayed as underdogs and goofy, often lovably goofy, losers not bad people.

That's fairly recent. I can assure you that geeks still get mocked heavily in many circles, and are not seen as "loveable", but rather avoided.

But yeah, action flicks are pretty much just excuses for self inserts, preferably with a not so handsome dude getting to boink the very good-looking lady.

On the other hand, unless I'm mistaken I don't think Manly McDudebros are being as vocal about their love than Twilighters or generally female fans of whatever. Maybe because they'll rather be appreciating the movie from their bed with lotion and paper tissue, while female fans will be queuing for hours by the red carpet hoping to get a glimpse of the actors they fancy.

[fuchsiascreams]

On the other hand, unless I'm mistaken I don't think Manly McDudebros are being as vocal about their love than Twilighters or generally female fans of whatever.

Everyone with a boyfriend who watches action movies can attest to that being completely untrue. I swear to God, if I have to spend one more fucking minute listening to my boyfriend talking about fucking comic books or action movies or comic books being made into action movies or action movies being made into comic books, I am going to explode.

[fuchsiascreams]

I doubt Manly McDudebro is watching Action Movie 7: Revenge of the Revenge and thinking "wow, what great character development" when Blake P. Badass is making out with Penelope Plot Device.


LOL

In support of this, I must admit that my boyfriend regularly sighs wistfully and says things like "I wish I was a superhero" while talking nonstop for hours about some fucking action movie comic book remake that just came out/will come out in the near future.