[ SECRET POST #2016 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2016 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I've noticed more misogyny in anti-Twilight camps than in Twilight itself. Even from so-called feminists. They're ragging on about how sexist the books are and then going off about how teen girls are so moronic they need to be spoon-fed proper ideals, as though they saw a cape and thought it could make them fly. They treat all teenaged girls as brainless for liking a book. It's the same internalize misogyny you see from women saying "I don't hang out with other women, they're all so catty and superficial".

[(Anonymous)]

exactly. And I'm not saying that people shouldn't be concerned about teen girls reading something with a bad message about relationships because they might apply it to real relationships, but say "people shouldn't be playing such violent videogames, it will make them violent" and see the reaction you get.

[silverau]

THIS. I have issues with the way some things are portrayed in the books, but I don't assume every girl who reads and enjoys them is a total moron who will immediately go out and look for a boy who will destroy her car to stop her from visiting a friend. Just like I don't like violent video games, but I don't assume they turn every boy who plays them into a murderer.

[fadeinthewash]

But there are people who think Edward is hot shit...? Or that Twilight is romantic rather than creepy? I mean, yeah, not every reader is sucked into it, but at the same time, it's not like none of them are, either. Twilight doesn't entertain the level of popularity that "so bad it's good" gets you: there are a lot of people who genuinely like it and define "good" as synonymous with "enjoyable" and actually invest in the squicky Bella/Edward relationship.

[(Anonymous)]

There are legions of fans who think Snape was a saint with a heart of gold and that Lily should have abandoned her self-respect/beliefs and love him even if he was a Death Eater. IMO that's plenty fucked up and abusive, but I'm not honestly expecting those fans to throw themselves at racist men who join the KKK or anything. I may think their opinion is nuts but I give them the benefit of the doubt when it comes to real life. Edward wasn't anywhere near as fucked up as MANY characters that other fandoms swoon over, so I dunno why Twilight fans get all the shit for it. What about all the Loki fangirls who excuse the murder he did?

[fadeinthewash]

I wasn't aware the Snape and Loki fans who whitewash their badness were thought of particularly more nicely than the Edward fans, haha. =p My feeling is that if their appreciation of Edward was that divorced from what they do/think in real life, they wouldn't call him romantic... the distinction between "it's messed up but I love it" versus "omg how sweet." I doubt any would throw themselves at abusive stalkers, but then again, that aspect of someone tends to be discovered slightly too late, after they've already gotten fixated, and if they genuinely think certain behaviors are romantic, they may have a higher threshold for shittiness. Not to say Twilight caused that--I doubt anyone changed their mind on reading to think controlling behaviors are so ~awesome where they hadn't before-- but it doesn't do anything to lampshade that the behavior is bad. Nor is it required to, of course, but nor does that make it immune to criticism.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, this is what annoys me the most about Twilight-hate.