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⌈ Secret Post #2016 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

FUCKING THANK YOU.

FFS, when did a kink stop being just a kink? I've got a noncon kink a mile high but that doesn't mean I'm ever comfortable reading m/f noncon. It's too close to home. I can put a man in that same situation and find it hot because there's enough distance there that I don't read it as reflecting on me.

But for crying out loud, whether I kink on it for men or for women, that doesn't ever men I think anyone deserves to be fucking raped or that I'd find it hot if they were. Real life rape is a tragedy and a trauma and horrific, I would never wish it on anyone. But fictional stuff is fictional and it has absolutely no bearing on my views on men, women, or anyone at all. It's just a kink.

And I get really freaking pissed off at the "omegas are just women!" comments. No, they're men. Men who bottom during sex, even men who are biologically compelled to bottom during sex, are still men. It's this twisted way of somehow shaming people for playing with gender roles that I truly do not understand and I feel like I need to be sexist somehow to even get where they're coming from. "Omegas are parallels to women because they need to be protected and are hormonal!" Uh, what? How the hell does that apply to women anyway? I used to see the same stupid things said about yaoi back in the day and it didn't make any sense to me then either.

[(Anonymous)]

"Omegas are parallels to women because they need to be protected and are hormonal!"

Hahahaha, no. Omegas are parallels to women because they are socialised to submit to their alphas, to roll over and accept that bearing young is their duty and vocation, to not go into certain jobs, or not work at all solely because they are omegas/subs, are expected to be quiet while alphas talk, must take orders from any alpha etc. Worst of all, the fact that it's treated as the acceptable norm that everyone accepts because it's biological, and the narrative offers no comments whatsoever that there's something wrong with it, that's the offensive part.

To each their own with the kinks, like you say - I'm not against anyone writing it to their hearts' content, but it would be nice if the author acknowledged that this dynamic is fucked up and oppressive.

[(Anonymous)]

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But I don't hear people saying "parallel" to women, I hear people saying omegas reflect the authors' opinions on women. Yes, the treatment of omegas is fucked up in part because it's parallel to the fucked up treatment of women in the real world. But if you create a world where women are not the class treated in that fucked up way, it is purposefully creating distance from the real world idea that female=submissive/born to breed/etc. It divorces the idea of a class of people who are put in that fucked up position from gender. That is one thing I like about it. It doesn't always have to be a woman in that role.

Also, many, many authors do acknowledge it's fucked up and oppressive. That's why it has non-con warnings on it, and forced pregnancy warnings, and slavery warnings. This seems like sort of a strawman to me because I see way more a/b/o fic properly warned for and noted than not. Unlike a shitton of mpreg and rape-as-love stuff that crosses the same lines for me.

[(Anonymous)]

It is purposefully creating distance from the real world idea that female=submissive/born to breed/etc. [...] It divorces the idea of a class of people who are put in that fucked up position from gender.

I disagree. First of all, biologically the definition of a female is "the sex which produces stationary ova," which is (I presume, this is very rarely explained) what omegas do, which is also the reason they are subjugated. Thus the 'verse doesn't divorce itself from strict gender politics, it merely creates a third gender (and not even that, sometimes - there are omegaverses in which there are no women, period) and subjugates it, in which case I can't help but get a little skeeved out at the author's treatment of the childbearing class. My general question is therefore how do you differentiate between omegas and women?

If it's properly labelled, cool. Sadly, I've come across a few fics in which there was the non-con label, and the poor omega suffered through some pretty horrific abuse with his alpha, who then got overthrown and the new alpha pretty much did the same thing, only with less beatings and sleaziness, and voilà, magical happy ending. Which may be me complaining about the quality of writing.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't define "woman" as "possessing primary female sex characteristics." I define it as "being a sentient being who identifies as a woman." There are definitely a/b/o fics that get into dirty talk and verbal humiliation along the lines of "like a woman" or descriptions of "manpussy", and I'm not really into that because it's enforcing the shitty gender dynamics from our world on one where they don't have to exist. But for me that's not inherent in the trope, and in my experience it's much more prevalent in mpreg fic that isn't a/b/o.

there was the non-con label, and the poor omega suffered through some pretty horrific abuse with his alpha, who then got overthrown and the new alpha pretty much did the same thing, only with less beatings and sleaziness, and voilà, magical happy ending

This is a really good point, and I agree it can be hard to tell whether an author is condoning the second alpha's behavior as non-abusive. Because obviously it is abusive, and that's worth acknowledging. In the only a/b/o fic I ever wrote, the two characters were friends and the omega went into heat unexpectedly, and in my mind the fact that the omega underwent this gradual loss of self that he didn't want or expect was creepy as fuck. But I'm sure some people read it as a happy ending, and that definitely goes the other way too. Just because I see abuse doesn't mean the author or anyone else does.

[(Anonymous)]

See, that's what I can't figure out: how is the sharp division and inequality between alphas and omegas not enforcing the shitty gender dynamic? The species is divided into two reproductive kinds, one of whom (doesn't really matter which, though it's most often the childbearing kind) is subjugated, stereotyped and subdued based on their biology - let's take a step back and forget about labels here - how is that not the exact same thing which happens to women in our world? I'm not getting in the gendered insults, that's obviously a whole another bag of stones. My understanding of the omegaverse is this: by the rules of the society they live in, this class of people is perceived as inferior and in need of guidance solely because of their biology (incidentally the biology relevant to reproducing). It might be that I just get too invested in the 'verse when reading, but that bothers me, very much so.

I second your definition of "woman," but I am not arguing that omegas identify as women. They identify as omegas, which is a term, basing on the biological, cultural and societal cues of the omegaverse, directly equivalent to what we call "women."

The other anon ignored the question, so let me just ask: in the context of omegaverse, what makes the omega a man?