[ SECRET POST #2022 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2022 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 088 secrets from Secret Submission Post #289.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

NS, NF, etc.

[ 1 2 - not!secrets ]

NS 2

[anonymouslyyours]

I'm a little confused with the STD metaphor?

Re: NS 2

[(Anonymous)]

I'm guessing that it means "saying you like Before Watchmen is such an embarrassment that it's like admitting you have genital herpes in front of your in-laws".

Re: NS 2

[anonymouslyyours]

Okay but because STD's are arguably less stigmatized you can now admit you like Before Watchmen?

Re: NS 2

[insanenoodlyguy]

Yeah, but I'll treat that like you just told your in-laws you have genital-herpes. :P

Just cause STD's and comics that shouldn't be exist, doesn't mean you need to pipe up about it.

Also, it's more embarassing to like before watchmen then have genital herpes, so bad metaphor *hipster geek glasses*

Re: NS 2

[(Anonymous)]

Apparently. If you can say you have pimples on your penis, you can say you like Before Watchmen (or something like that).

I won't deny OP's metaphor is a bit... unusual...

Re: NS 2

[anonymouslyyours]

But if you're in a social situation where you shouldn't talk about STD's you can't talk about Before Watchmen? How does one thing directly affect the other? I'm just failing to see how they compare to this extent. I feel like the metaphor went too far and now I'm just overthinking it in circles?

Re: NS 2

[(Anonymous)]

From the way I've seen the fandom go on about Before Watchmen and the first part of the secret, I think OP might mean that it's being treated as if it were an STD? Like people are as uncomfortable admitting that they like it as they'd be to having an STD. Still strangely worded though.

Re: NS 2

[anonymouslyyours]

I get the first part I'm just failing to see how because you can talk more openly about STD's now you can talk more openly about your enjoyment of Before Watchmen.

"It's the year 2012 bitches. STD's are not the most embarrassing thing ever." Is what is confusing me. Is the OP not the person who made the original STD comparison because otherwise I'm not getting why that sentence was included.

[(Anonymous)]

re: trigger warnings one

i agree to an extent. the weirdest TW I ever saw was on FFR... some one had an LJ cut with the words "trigger warning for the word rape"... not the subject. just the word. and... the OP used the word they were warning for in the warning, what the fuck?

[(Anonymous)]

We had sort of this same secret like two weeks back. . .why is it in the not secret folder now? Weird. Anyway, I agree.

NS 1

[insanenoodlyguy]

Too fucking much. Triggers are now "anything that makes me uncomfortable" instead of "things that trigger my violently crippling flashbacks"

Re: NS 1

[anonymouslyyours]

Too fucking much. Triggers are now "anything that makes me uncomfortable mildly annoyed" instead of "things that trigger my violently crippling flashbacks"

ftfm

It sucks because trigger warning do have a valid place in fandom but with so many people distorting the meaning a lot of people are rolling their eyes at the whole idea. Like, stop helping doods!

Re: NS 1

[thene]

I remember recently linking an article about war crimes on my journal and wondering what the hell warnings to attach to it, because it really did cover all the bases as regards things that are considered warnable in fandom. All of them. I just said 'this is about war crimes', in the end. It was just weird feeling like I was neither comfortable warning nor not warning. /coolstory

Re: NS 1

[(Anonymous)]

MTE.
I have PTSD. I have triggers, in the flashback-horror-anxiety sense. (They're not anything anyone in fandom typically warns for, but I'm in a really small fandom, and after a polite note about it, near everyone is kind enough - not obligated - to let me know if it's included.) But I can't help but feel like my experiences are so much harder to explain with the proliferation of "triggered" meaning "hurt feelings". I don't even feel comfortable using the word "trigger" to describe them anymore, even in spaces where the meaning of the word is known.

So not only is it annoying to feel required to label every little thing just in case, but I think it can be actively harmful to people like, well, me.

Re: NS 1

[thene]

Yeah, you see people warning for things that make NO FUCKING SENSE as triggers. Like, people on tumblr using a trigger warning for a recipe/food picture post containing meat. Tons of people aren't comfortable with eating meat but no one has a serious mental health issue with a picture of it.

Re: NS 1

[(Anonymous)]

Sometimes triggers are personal and idiosyncratic. I have some of the big, obvious, almost-always-warned-for ones, but I have a few which outwardly don't fucking make sense unless you know their context. I don't think there should be an expectation of warning for things like that, but at the same time, I don't think people who choose to accommodate a friend/reader/follower/etc in that way should necessarily be mocked.

If the person requesting the warning is misusing 'trigger' as a term, sure, but in that case they're the ones deserving of scorn, not the people playing better-safe-than-sorry and overwarning.

Re: NS 1

[insanenoodlyguy]

See now, I don't think those over cautions people are the problem, so much.

It's the butthurts and the sjw and the butthurt sjw that say "HOW DARE YOU NOT HAVE A TAG FOR (insert bullshit thing here)!" and then flame somebody over it.

I think that, moreso, is what this is about.

Re: NS 1

[(Anonymous)]

da. Maybe I just hang out in the wrong parts of fandom, but I've never seen that actually happen. I've only seen people reference it in discussions exactly like this one with someone complaining that trigger warnings have "gone too far." Who does this? Where is it happening?

Re: NS 1

[agentcthulhu]

I might be wrong but Sherlock TV? fanficrants on LJ should have a few examples too, and the anon rant comms.

Re: NS 1

[(Anonymous)]

Fanficrants is pretty pro-warnings, though. The only time I've seen them get up in arms on the topic is when people warn for things like homosexuality.

Re: NS 1

[thene]

I'm the same - I have a couple of triggers that are generally warned for, plus some that make no damn sense and which I tend not to even tell people about because I don't want to have to explain them and it's not THAT bad a deal for me - no full-on PTSD, just a bunch of traumatic memories I can't always reasonably deal with.

I don't think accommodating friends is what we're describing, though. Warning for meat is clearly more along the lines of a conventional disgust squick or an agenda-driven squick, not trauma.

I really like the mgs_pchat system, where members comment in a screened post to say what their major triggers are and that becomes the comm's warning list; that probably doesn't work for a very large comm, though.

NS1

[thene]

I generally agree that if something's in canon then there's no further point in warning about it provided you're indicating which part of canon you're dealing with. Eg, I once wrote a Metal Gear fic that I said in the summary was about [character] in [place]. Everyone knows that that person died in a horrifying manner the one time they were at that place. So I didn't warn but I did still click the 'Major Character Death' tickbox when I posted it at AO3.

So yeah, I don't think you need to warn, but you DO need to state what part of canon you're using. There may be some fans who've deliberately avoided that part of canon because they know it would trigger their suicidal feelings, or fans who have seen/read that bit of canon but who can only deal with it if they can mentally work themselves up to it first.

NS1

[(Anonymous)]

I think this one kind of depends on context.

If you have reason to expect that you'll be getting a significant number of readers who aren't familiar with that part of your canon (if the fic is a crossover, for example, or if it's based on a very new bit of canon that not everyone in the fandom has seen/been spoilered for yet, etc), then I think you ought to warn to whatever degree you would if the events were your own invention. If the fic is of little interest outside the fandom and you're reasonably certain that everyone knows that Character A has X in their backstory, it's not so imperative.

NS1

[intrigueing]

I'm gonna bite — Avenger-fic about Bruce's suicide attempt?

I dunno, I think it's silly to jump on someone for not warning for triggery stuff that happens in canon (as long as you're not adding more triggery stuff to it), but most trigger warnings that are already there are unobtrusive and don't ruin the art/fic/whatever in question, so who really cares?