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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-07-16 06:55 pm

[ SECRET POST #2022 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2022 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 088 secrets from Secret Submission Post #289.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
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[personal profile] stainless 2012-07-17 12:49 am (UTC)(link)
omeone "taking care" of you or another person does not make that disability go away, nor does it make it better.

Pardon me for pulling out one tiny snippet of a wonderful comment and keying on it... but the other thing is:

I was born with my disability. I work in disability advocacy. I consider myself a proud member of the disability community. And whenever I see disability h/c fic, even when it's good...

...my mind just has to pipe up with "Where are the disabled characters who are part of the community? The movement? The ADAPTers? Where are the loud proud angry fierce fighters who subscribe to the social model, not the medical? Where am I? Where are the people in chairs and scooters, with canes and walkers who have marched beside me, whether standing or rolling or something else entirely, saying with hands or mouths or machines THIS IS HOW I AM AND I AM NO MISTAKE?"

I mean, yeah, if the idea of the fic is "cuddle the hurt person" we're not gonna be there. And yeah, in a fandom for a show or movie set in its own universe, there may not be an ADA. I get all that.

But that just seems... like a whole aspect of a population is just Not There At All because it's inconvenient. Because we're no fun when we're not little doll babies to soothe.

And, well, even in an alternate universe I still think you could have characters who subscribe to something more like the social model. Even if there is no civil rights movement going on, I still think a particularly fiery character could be all "I piss on your pity, and I don't need your fucking cure."

I'm not saying it's bad to have characters who aren't all full of vim and vinegar. I just think it's sad, and maybe a little funny-smelling to the SJish bits of my nose, to see the ones who need cuddling with so little sign of the spitfires.

(Anonymous) 2012-07-17 01:07 am (UTC)(link)
Anon who replied/agreed with you above.

THIS SO MUCH!

And okay I GET that a person who is suddenly disabled after a long time of not is going to go through some period of needing comfort, but still coddling WILL NOT HELP them. Because at some point they're going to have to pick themselves up and learn how to live with their disability. Coddling is just a waste of time that could be better spent learning how to live with the disability. Because there is still a life to be lived.

(Anonymous) 2012-07-17 01:36 am (UTC)(link)
+1....and this fannish oversight is what led directly to secret #13 IMO.

The self-entitled SJWers (I'm not saying you're one of them, stainless, don't get me wrong) distract/verbally abuse people over words that aren't even offensive, as an excuse for their privileged TAB backsides to justify not DOING SOMETHING that will change attitudes at their base level. Instead, they beat everybody about the head with their Orwellian Newspeak /Ministry of Truth doublethink games they like to play as some weird sort of codependency bingo card filler.

I shudder to think what those facing this generation of social workers will have to go through Smothering nanny-state full of Chicken Soup for the Supercrip Soul doesn't even come close to describing it....

(Anonymous) 2012-07-17 04:11 am (UTC)(link)
"Supercrip"

Fuck you.

(Anonymous) 2012-07-17 07:33 am (UTC)(link)
DA

Okay I'm missing something with this word. Explain?

(Anonymous) 2012-07-17 01:11 pm (UTC)(link)
it's short for supercripple, maybe?
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[personal profile] stainless 2012-07-18 03:07 am (UTC)(link)
Why fuck you? Considering that as far as I can tell the anon up there was using the term to make fun of the concept, as most people who critique it do.

I mean, the anon clearly dislikes SJW types, but I don't think I've ever heard "supercrip" used by anyone BUT people with disabilities mocking the whole "ooooh you inspiiiiiire us just by breathiiiiiiiiiing" thing.
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[personal profile] lyndis 2012-07-17 01:46 am (UTC)(link)
I agree completely. I really, really wanna see H/C fics that are more about just supporting someone who doesn't feel they need help. That would be so insanely awesome. I mean, even without the kind of model, I'm sure there were plenty of disabled or people who were disadvantaged in our own history who stood up and said, hey, I am my own person, I can do this!

<3