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fandomsecrets2012-07-16 06:55 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2012-07-16 06:55 pm
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Just like in H/C 'fic, people don't like to address the permanency of, say, eating disorders. Those things just don't go away, and they definitely won't go away because someone they like/crush on asks them to the movies, or to marry them, or to have sex with them. It just doesn't work like that. (It'd be nice if it did, but it definitely doesn't!)
I mean, people deal with eating disorders for years. If you've had one for a long enough period of time, you might be fighting it for the rest of your life. Someone needs to support you, be there for you when you need them, not baby you and take care of you like you're some kind of invalid who can't think for yourself.
H/C fic can be really good (from the PoV from someone who likes it), but like I said, so much of it is crap that it's like...ugh, no thanks. I don't want to read about A losing his leg in the war and B makes it all better with magical amazing sex. No. JUST. NO. There is so much to something like losing a leg, or losing the ability to walk, or in dealing with eating disorders, the aftermath of spousal abuse, assault, rape, surviving a terrible natural disaster, a plague, etc, that people, 99% of the time, skip past the actual emotional stuff. And when they DO focus on the emotional stuff, they focus on all the wrong things.
I mean, if A loses his leg, I don't think he's thinking, "Well shit, I'll never have sex with B."
No, he's probably thinking, fuck, how am I going to get around? How am I going to drive a car/ride a horse/shoot a gun/get to the store/go to the bathroom/go on a date/stand at the stove to cook, and so many other things it's not even funny. A's not sinking into depression and/or his thoughts just because of one small thing. There are so many thoughts roiling through someone's head when they go through something like that, that unless you read an auto-biography or ten, or have been through it yourself, you really can't write it convincingly for me.
That said, I used to write silly cute fluffy H/C fic-- always about the silly things like splinters and a cold, etc-- and when I did try more serious stuff, I made sure to try and do it right. I was a new writer back then, though, so I probably failed, but I can at least say that I tried to focus on what I thought were the important things.
I mean, I write fanfic because I LOVE the characters. I love them so much that writing things that hurt them also hurts me. There have been scenes in 'fics that I've written that were difficult or painful to write, and some have even made me cry. The thoughts and emotions of a character are my favorite things to write, though. Ask to write an action scene and it's so wordy it'd make a reader vomit. XD
The creepy stereotypes thing really annoys me in H/C fic. It's why most of the time I hit back on fics before I'm even past the first two paragraphs. They're usually not worth my time when they're full of weird "caring-for-someone-else" creepy...vibes. I don't know how to explain it. Like, take care of someone else, yeah. But sometimes it just weirds me out the way some people write it.
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Pardon me for pulling out one tiny snippet of a wonderful comment and keying on it... but the other thing is:
I was born with my disability. I work in disability advocacy. I consider myself a proud member of the disability community. And whenever I see disability h/c fic, even when it's good...
...my mind just has to pipe up with "Where are the disabled characters who are part of the community? The movement? The ADAPTers? Where are the loud proud angry fierce fighters who subscribe to the social model, not the medical? Where am I? Where are the people in chairs and scooters, with canes and walkers who have marched beside me, whether standing or rolling or something else entirely, saying with hands or mouths or machines THIS IS HOW I AM AND I AM NO MISTAKE?"
I mean, yeah, if the idea of the fic is "cuddle the hurt person" we're not gonna be there. And yeah, in a fandom for a show or movie set in its own universe, there may not be an ADA. I get all that.
But that just seems... like a whole aspect of a population is just Not There At All because it's inconvenient. Because we're no fun when we're not little doll babies to soothe.
And, well, even in an alternate universe I still think you could have characters who subscribe to something more like the social model. Even if there is no civil rights movement going on, I still think a particularly fiery character could be all "I piss on your pity, and I don't need your fucking cure."
I'm not saying it's bad to have characters who aren't all full of vim and vinegar. I just think it's sad, and maybe a little funny-smelling to the SJish bits of my nose, to see the ones who need cuddling with so little sign of the spitfires.
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(Anonymous) 2012-07-17 01:07 am (UTC)(link)THIS SO MUCH!
And okay I GET that a person who is suddenly disabled after a long time of not is going to go through some period of needing comfort, but still coddling WILL NOT HELP them. Because at some point they're going to have to pick themselves up and learn how to live with their disability. Coddling is just a waste of time that could be better spent learning how to live with the disability. Because there is still a life to be lived.
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(Anonymous) 2012-07-17 01:36 am (UTC)(link)The self-entitled SJWers (I'm not saying you're one of them, stainless, don't get me wrong) distract/verbally abuse people over words that aren't even offensive, as an excuse for their privileged TAB backsides to justify not DOING SOMETHING that will change attitudes at their base level. Instead, they beat everybody about the head with their Orwellian Newspeak /Ministry of Truth doublethink games they like to play as some weird sort of codependency bingo card filler.
I shudder to think what those facing this generation of social workers will have to go through Smothering nanny-state full of Chicken Soup for the Supercrip Soul doesn't even come close to describing it....
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(Anonymous) 2012-07-17 04:11 am (UTC)(link)Fuck you.
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(Anonymous) 2012-07-17 07:33 am (UTC)(link)Okay I'm missing something with this word. Explain?
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(Anonymous) 2012-07-17 01:11 pm (UTC)(link)no subject
I mean, the anon clearly dislikes SJW types, but I don't think I've ever heard "supercrip" used by anyone BUT people with disabilities mocking the whole "ooooh you inspiiiiiire us just by breathiiiiiiiiiing" thing.
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<3
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(Anonymous) 2012-07-17 07:32 am (UTC)(link)no subject
/hug