[ SECRET POST #2022 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2022 ⌋

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Comments

[anonymouslyyours]

You are infringing on someone's right to something or stealing their right to their work. This is maybe an interesting legal argument but for a lay person I don't think it's ridiculous to equate piracy to stealing.

Not that I'm like boo piracy or anything but calling it something else doesn't actually make it something else.

[ariakas]

I AM CALLING IT SOMETHING ELSE BECAUSE IT IS SOMETHING ELSE.

You are infringing on someone's right to something or stealing their right to their work.

INFRINGING ON A COPYRIGHT IS WRONG, BUT IT IS NOT THEFT. YOU CANNOT "STEAL" SOMEONE'S RIGHT TO THEIR WORK. THAT WOULD MEAN YOU NOW HAVE THE INTELLECTUAL RIGHTS TO THEIR WORK. YOU DO NOT HAVE THAT.

YOU HAVE AN UNLICENSED COPY OF THEIR WORK. THE RIGHTS TO THEIR WORK REMAIN THEIR OWN.

PIRACY IS COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT. YES, IT IS WRONG, AND IT IS ILLEGAL. BUT IT IS NOT RAPE. OR MURDER. OR ASSAULT. OH, AND IT IS NOT THEFT EITHER. I REFUSE TO BELIEVE LAY PEOPLE ARE TOO FUCKING STUPID TO GRASP THIS CONCEPT.

DO YOU BELIEVE THAT LAY PEOPLE ARE TOO FUCKING STUPID TO UNDERSTAND IT?

[anonymouslyyours]

As a lay person I would use that word casually because being super specific is not important to me as long as it conveys what I am trying to say. But look, not trying to start stuff or even say that you are wrong. Just telling you how I see it. And I see it different than you. A pirate has the work without the artist's permission. Whether or not they have the original I consider that stealing.

[ariakas]

But look, not trying to start stuff or even say that you are wrong.

I know you're not, because I'm not wrong, and you're not an idiot. You just want to think something that is wrong is the same as a different thing that's wrong because both are bad and have bad consequences and make you feel bad, and one word doesn't sound as bad as the act and the consequences of the act makes you feel. But at the end of the day, words still mean things.

...Sorry, I've had this argument too many times. I just can't believe people are intelligent enough to learn trigonometry as a required math course but can't understand the difference between two crimes. I just can't do it. My faith in humanity can't take the blow.

"Consider" it something it isn't all you want. Diana Gabaldon considers fanfiction to be the identical to home invasion. They "invaded" her intellectual property! Just like pirates "stole" it! Yarrr! Thar be electronic booty! It's not like I can stop you.

Maybe piracy is more like rape! Or genocide! Or tax evasion! You're "evading" the lawful purchase of the object!

...You wouldn't hide your assets overseas to tax dodge, would you? Then why are you hiding your IP address to use torrents?

DOWNLOADING PIRATED FILMS IS TAX EVASION.

TAX EVASION IS AGAINST THE LAW.

PIRACY - IT'S A CRIME.

[anonymouslyyours]

Legally I agree with you but for people who have no interest in the legal profession I think we would use the term 'stealing' to cover all the different flavors and methods of illegally obtaining something be it through evading taxes or downloading torrents. And tbh if tax evasion was as easy as piracy I'm pretty sure we would all be doing that too. Most of us probably aren't morally opposed to committing that kind of crime just lazy.

I'm not going to comment on the rape and genocide because I don't think that would be helpful or constructive in any way.

[ariakas]

we would use the term 'stealing' to cover all the different flavors and methods of illegally obtaining something be it through evading taxes or downloading torrents

So... piracy is tax evasion, for the lay person? Even though tax fraud "obtains" literally nothing, not even access to an unlicensed copy? The lay person is incapable of understanding a more nuanced reality than "do bad things with property? Stealing! Stealing is make bad with property"?

Well, you heard it here folks. Piracy is tax evasion.

At least the "lay person" can tell the difference between piracy and genocide, apparently.

That's... ... ...something.

[anonymouslyyours]

Fine. Anyone who doesn't use proper legal terms in casual conversation is an asshole. You win.

[ariakas]

"Asshole" isn't quite what I was going for. The word I was going for was rather different.

No, in all seriousness, I apologize. My response to you was over the top. It was the previous poster who was insisting that they were factually the same act - not you, who made it very clear that they weren't but that casual, technically incorrect language was common though intended to carry the same spirit - that got me all frothy with rage.

And I took it out on you. My bad. That was dickish, and I'm sorry.

[anonymouslyyours]

's fine. I didn't take it personal.

[visp.livejournal.com]

Legally I agree with you but for people who have no interest in the legal profession I think we would use the term 'stealing' to cover all the different flavors and methods of illegally obtaining something be it through evading taxes or downloading torrents.

As someone who does have an interest in the legal profession, I can tell you: 'Stealing' isn't a legal term. It's just a regular word that means pretty much what you said.

[visp.livejournal.com]

I know you're not, because I'm not wrong.

What you are is special.

[(Anonymous)]

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okay I stopped reading this thread with interest when you turned on the "yelling" to drown out others.


I'm gonna stick to calling it stealing.

[ariakas]

I think, as visp and anonymouslyyours proved, you can't really "drown someone out" on the internet.

You can stop reading something because you don't like the tone of the opposing side, though, obviously. Nor can I stop you from calling something something it isn't.

[(Anonymous)]

And it might not even be illegal depending on which country you are.

[(Anonymous)]

You are infringing on someone's right to something or stealing their right to their work.

When I download pirated copy of Harry Potter, does JKR lose her rights to it?

[anonymouslyyours]

TBH I'm not exactly proud of any of my wording last night. I was mostly just baffled that someone thought people couldn't use the word stealing to describe piracy. What I meant here was that you stole the right in you specific case, not in a general sense if that helps?