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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-07-16 06:55 pm

[ SECRET POST #2022 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2022 ⌋

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 088 secrets from Secret Submission Post #289.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
darkmanifest: (Default)

Re: Unnecessary Overthinking

[personal profile] darkmanifest 2012-07-17 04:14 am (UTC)(link)
Nah, I didn't say anything about love or making assumptions. Knowing that your partner is bad, if you're practical, like I said, you'll know to be wary of them at all times. Good guys tend to feel entitled to trust by virtue of being good and react badly at being treated with wariness, even if it's just common sense to do so.

But, okay, let's go with proven morality. I think you're wrongfully conflating being "good" with being "trustworthy". Say you trust something illegal you've done with your partner and they decide to turn you in because it's the good thing to do, even if it betrays your trust. They decided they'd make a concession to general morality (i.e. being loyal) in a specific case. Because they mean well, they're still good guys, but it doesn't change the harm they've done to you, personally. I don't see how that's an improvement over a bad guy turning on you for a less moral reason. You've been betrayed either way. So, not saying the bad guy is trustworthy, I'm saying that nobody is, but at least the bad guy, you might expect it.

Re: Unnecessary Overthinking

(Anonymous) 2012-07-17 07:14 am (UTC)(link)
+1 to your whole second paragraph.
kelincihutan: (Default)

Re: Unnecessary Overthinking

[personal profile] kelincihutan 2012-07-17 02:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I...was going to do a longish post on my disagreements, but the short version is, I don't think I agree with anything in your second paragraph. Including the example you're using. But, I am lazy and sleepy and this conversation is very hypothetical already, so in my current state, I don't think I'm quite up for abstract moral philosophy. Besides, if we're not talking about falling in love with the bad guy or making assumptions that you can rule by their side, then we aren't really talking about the OP's secret any more.

However, I genuinely appreciate the conversation and your thought-provoking posts. :)
darkmanifest: (Default)

Re: Unnecessary Overthinking

[personal profile] darkmanifest 2012-07-17 09:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I kinda got lost along the path of comparing the inherent worthiness of good guys to bad guy in personal relationships, instead of inherent worthiness of hooking up with a world-breaking tyrant, lol.

But ditto, thanks for your posts, too! I love a good hypothetical conversation. ^^