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fandomsecrets2012-07-16 06:55 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2012-07-16 06:55 pm
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⌈ Secret Post #2022 ⌋
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And fanfiction can be described as home invasion. Diana Gabaldon proved it.
Tax evasion isn't "having something that isn't yours", it's falsifying legal documents so that you appear to owe less by contract to the gov... oh, forget it. Nevermind.
No, I get it. You've already pointed out that the lay public has no concept of nuance and no problem equating vastly different actions, effects, and consequences because they make them feel bad, and they have to do with property. "Stealing = property bad", according to the lay people you're representing. Not any dictionary I've ever read, but I may just be behind the times.
Okay, stealing = "property bad". Tax evasion and piracy are both "property bad", therefore stealing. I follow the... ...logic.
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Wait. If you lie about how much you owe and keep the difference how do you not have something that isn't yours?
Also I feel "vastly" is incorrect word choice but I don't have the same kind of commitment as you and therefore do not plan on arguing it out over a thread.
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Because the government represents you as part of a legal contract - tax dollars are "public"; if everyone is required to pay $5 for coffee at an anime night, and you were all "oh shit I forgot my wallet, I only have two bucks" and you gave them two bucks and they let you drink the coffee, but really you had five bucks on you the whole time, do you now have coffee that "isn't yours"? Is drinking the coffee exactly the same offense as swiping all the coffee money afterward? Obviously not.
But it's a good question. And the answer is a lot more complicated and untrivial than "YOU WOULDN'T STEAL A CAR, WOULD YOU? SO WHY ARE YOU DRINKING COFFEE WHEN YOU ONLY PAID $2???!!!". That sort of bunk trivializes the discussion into meaninglessness.
Really? You don't feel that breaking into someone's home and stealing their jewelry is "vastly" different from accessing an unlicensed copy of a manga online? You think they're "trivially" different, or "not different at all"? Really? Or are you just saying that because you are committed to making that argument, because that's the only possible way I could see someone arguing that the two were quite similar or identical.
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And there is a difference between someone giving you a break on the price and you just taking the coffee.
The method of breaking and entering and the method for illegal downloading is different but the purpose is the same. I'm not arguing that the method is similiar or identical but that the goal is. The goal to get something that isn't yours.
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And yet, it's plain that Gabaldon, the authors who agree with her, and the many people who don't feel that piracy is stealing, would disagree. It's difficult to argue feelings, though. They're subjective.
And there is a difference between someone giving you a break on the price and you just taking the coffee.
But you obtained that "price break" by misrepresenting the funds available to you. Which is what one does when one tax evades. So... when I put it to you by analogy you admit there's a difference between stealing and tax evasion? Okay then. I concur, obviously.
but the purpose is the same
No, it isn't. It absolutely isn't. Stealing the jewelry deprives the owner of jewelry. When that advertisement claims "you wouldn't steal a car" it does so, ironically, because it knows that the intent to steal and the intent to pirate are quite different, and the end results are entirely different. They're both wrong, yes. But one takes property someone else owns, the other accesses an unlicensed copy, which may or may not result in a loss of earning potential for the intellectual property right holder (assuming you would have paid for it had you not been able to). In the case of stealing the jewelry, the jewelry-maker still got paid, and is not hurt by this crime whatsoever. In fact, if the original owner has to buy a replacement, the jewelry-maker profits.
Both are wrong, both are crimes, but they are not both stealing.
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It's time for bed -____-