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I'll be linking some general/general-fandom threads I see so people don't repost new threads with the same stuff.

Unpopular Ships
Obligatory Masturbation Thread
Fandoms you wish existed
How old are you?
What series have you always meant to watch/read/play/etc. but have never?
Time and location
Female-centric works
How do you feel about Tumblr?
Pet thread
Guilty pleasure thread
Favorite old shows
First fandom?

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I wish visual novels had a bigger fandom that wasn't so divided. I wish they were more popular in general.

Visual novels targeted towards straight male audiences (Tsukihime, Clannad, Katawa Shoujo etc) have an overwhelmingly male audience that can sometimes be creepy as shit. I love playing these games for the story as an individual only attracted to men -- Tsukihime is absolutely one of my favorite games despite all the flaws. Katawa Shoujo is great too. I feel a deep attachment to the characters but I don't really want to hear about how much someone wants to stick their dick in their waifu's asshole. I want to talk about the stories and the characters and how brilliantly horrible the diary scene in Tsukihime was.

I guess I'm mad as a feminist that these games tend to be plagued with a lot of misogynist problems and the fanbases tend to have the same issues. I'm already tired of not being able to talk about these novels without getting weird looks anyway. Saying "Despite all the creepy porn scenes, Tsukihime has some really shining moments of writing" already sounds terrible. I wish there was more non-porn ones with good plots. It's a platform with a HUGE amount of potential. It sucks that it's associated with (for good reason) a lot of terrible otaku pandering. Even the good ones seem to have a lot of problems. The creepy fetishizing and glorification of virginity and taking a women's hymen (Tsukihime has some really creepy scenes where the woman doesn't at all enjoy her first time and THAT'S CONSIDERED OKAY) is pretty terrible.

I'm really hoping Tsukihime's supposed remake in progress will revitalize the fandom and bring it to a wider audience. I hope a lot of the creepy pandering parts are taken out, too.

The female-aimed games (BL) just have their own set of problems. The typical yaoi issues of women rarely ever featuring prominently, men having shitty and inconsistent characterization, unrealistic anal sex with little or no lubrication and lots of pain, fetishized rape (nothing wrong with having a rape fetish, but the problematic "He rapes him because he loves him", rape being shrugged off and easily 'forgiven', and "If he didn't REALLY want it, he would've fought back harder" that fangirls treat like a completely healthy relationship), the "top" in a relationship being decided by who looks less feminine (uke/seme dynamics ahoy), etc.

So if I go on a male-based VN forum I get creeps who generally have some shitty views about women, and if I go to a BL VN forum I get a bunch of fangirls who have completely unrealistic views about gay men and just want to see hot seme bishies.

I want a good place to discuss visual novels and the emotional impact and value of their stories with people who aren't creepy motherfuckers.

There are visual novels without crap like this. The problem is finding them, finding translations, and finding anyone to discuss them with. Katahane, for example, is a really good yuri VN. It's R18 but mostly plot-focused; I actually haven't come to a single smut scene yet, though I've been playing it for a while. There are a couple misogynist characters, but to be fair they're in a chapter that takes place 100+ years in the past; the modern portion of the game is devoid of that from what I've seen. Problem is that not many people have played it. The same goes for other VNs out there that aren't the big names.

Also, I have found quite a bit of solid discussion out there for Fate/Stay Night, to be fair.

That sounds really good. Is it translated? Do you have a download link?

I actually haven't played F/SN yet. I'm looking forward to seeing the discussion for that.

Katahane is in fact translated! I don't have download links on hand, but just googling Katahane should get it for you pretty easily. It's an excellent game, basically it's a lot of character-driven stuff in this world where there are humanoid dolls powered by magic gems. One of the main characters is trying to write a play about the historical figure Ein who is infamous for betraying one of the old kingdoms in this world back when they still had kingdoms, but her take on what happened is completely different from commonly accepted history. It's a really fascinating world. The handful of male characters in the main storyline are all pretty cool, the female characters are all quite interesting, and even in the history chapter there are male characters who aren't sexist dicks, and the head knight of the main kingdom the story focuses on, Dua Carlsteldt, is a woman.

F/SN is an excellent VN, though god it's so long. I still haven't beat the 2nd of 3 routes, argh. I will warn you that the protagonist and a few other characters can be outright unbearable at times (hell, at one point Shirou is seriously bitching about Rin beating his score at a batting cage because "girls shouldn't play baseball!" ugh I cringed so hard), but the female characters are all pretty boss and the story and world aspects are excellent. If you get in with the Fate/ DWRP crowd, plenty of legit discussion can be had.

Auuuuuuugh yes I know just what you mean, anon :(

I was at Otakon this weekend and wanted to go to the Type-Moon panel they were having last night because I am hardcore into Fate/stay night right now (for the female characters and the world mechanics and the plot, despite the misogynist statements Shirou [and others] sometimes makes and the awful sex scenes and the existence of Matou Shinji), but I was pretty much the only girl waiting in line for it and listening to all the fanboys talking around me actually drove me away before it could even start, siiiiiiiigh.

It's like my gf is the only one I can talk to about these things. :\

Wow, that's a shame. Shirou, Shinji, and Gilgamesh are all more or less intolerable to me, but otherwise the game is excellent and I'm glad to have found less hideous portions of the fandom to hang with. It's pretty disgusting what a lot of the "discussion" among some fanboys boils down to, though. Especially on the topic of Sakura. I can only imagine the crap being said in line, eesh.

Shirou's not as intolerable to me as the other two, but a huge part of that comes from the various RPs my gf and I have done where we basically ignore the sexist parts of him. And then I replay the canon (especially the Fate route) and I go "god fucking dammit Shirou why do you have to say douchey shit like that."

Yeah, sadly it's gotten to the point where anytime I encounter someone who goes "Heaven's Feel was the best route/I wish they'd animate it" in the opening of a discussion I immediately go noping in the other direction because eight times out of ten they're skeevy Sakura fanboys. There were certainly things I liked about Heaven's Feel, but I could go on for a long time about my problems with it, and the fans are nearly at the top of the list.

~~UBW 4 lyfe~~

I really hate Shirou myself, but then a lot of good RPers do make him more tolerable. It only works in RP contexts for me, though. I still hate him outside of a couple people's interpretations of him.

It's mostly the people who call Sakura a slut for being raped that I want to punch. That's worse than the fanboys.

...People do that? Oh my GOD fuck them. Just. I can't even articulate how full of rage that makes me.

It's grossly prevalent and it infuriates me. It's actually what I thought you meant re; issues with the fandom and Sakura at first. Hell, a friend of mine who's a huge Type Moon fan did an entire blog post on why anyone who says shit like that about Sakura is fucking disgusting. I wish more male Type Moon fans were like him.

Have you checked out some of these:

http://jayisgames.com/tag/visualnovel

Thanks! I'll take a look.

I wish the BL games had better stories, comparable to the straight male targeted VN's. Togainu no Chi is about the only one I've found to be truly interesting.

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