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[ SECRET POST #2044 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2044 ⌋

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[Yamato nadeshiko Shichi Henge/Perfect Girl Evolution]

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[Suits]

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So I guess in the wake of it, and the Aurora shooting in the areas of the web I hang out, huge swathes is being written about the entitlement complex that leads white men to perpetrate such crimes. It's all sounds very grand, and deeply cutting psychological breakdowns of this kind of person and the reason behind their prevalence.

There's only one small flaw.

It just happens to not be true. White men are no more likely to be spree killers then any other group. Black men are actually the only ones slightly overrepresented when controlling for population.

Found it all very instructive. Brings to mind one of my favourite quotes -

"Hayek’s explanation of the business cycle is a beautiful example of a theory whose only vice is that it happens not to be true. It is brilliant. It is elegant. It is parsimonious. It possesses boundless fecundity. It is the kind of thing we expect from brilliant minds. It just happens to be wrong..."

I guess they forgot about Virginia Tech? Or how about the mass suicide bombings in the Middle East?

So far this years it's been three really spammed stories. The Loughner shooting, the Aurora shooting, and the Sikh shooting. Two of the shooters being mentally ill, while one was actually warned about to cops by his psychiatrist. The third was racist. The third I can see entitlement from, most definitely. But the others? I think it was spurned on by mental disease. While that doesn't excuse what they did, at all, and they should be punished to the full extent...it's just not entitlement.

Inb4 "White men are EVIL, check your privilege, cis scum"!

It seems situational - iirc the VA Tech shooter was the US's first POC school-shooter, but not all mass shootings occur in schools.

I guess it's more relevant that a huge majority of all spree-shooters are men.

I think you're onto something.

There are factors that contribute to more men owning and trained to use guns. You have to adjust for these factors before comparing female and male spree-shooter prevalences.

This may be biased by my personal experience but I think the reason why we have fewer female spree-shooters is that women are taught to have empathy.

I'm not saying men don't have empathy and as I said this is purely conclusions from my personal experience. But I think often women are encouraged to show empathy and feel for other people as well as express their feelings whereas men are supposed to be "strong" and not supposed to cry, because crying makes you "weak" and is for girls etc.

This is a problem not confined to spree-shooters, obviously, but I think just something that contributes to the whole mess =/ And there are also of course tons of other reasons why people think it's a good idea to kill other people.

That are just my two cents since I've recently noticed how the sterotype of the "strong man who doesn't cry and shows no emotions" has still a lot of influence.

IDK I'm just making guesses right now, but I think a lot of the reason people start thinking this way is just how media presents it. No media outlet is really going to care if a gang in south LA shoots out another and kills many people. It's still a horrible crime, but no one is going to run a media spin on it because they don't want to give any spotlight to a gang and have others follow in their footsteps to get their gang's name immortalized in infamy(even though running a spin on something like the Aurora shooting could just as easily convince someone else to do the same).

But when it comes to media, the thought of "oooh a white guy!" going off and killing a bunch of people is so scandalous to them, when really violence has little to do with race on it's base level(of course there are cases where racial prejudice was the motivator) and so they run it all over and follow it until the final decision and thensome. And most people that thoroughly believe this kind of entitlement thing probably don't know anything about all the other violence and hardly follow the news at all, only the big stories.

So yeah I don't think it's entitlement that brings these killers to do these things in most cases, it's just that the media is racist and entitled.

What are you talking about? They are going to spin the HELL out of gang violence.

Are you serious? Do you know how much gang violence there is every day? Do you ever hear about it? Are there ever international news stories about it? Local news stories, but that is a completely different thing.

Obviously just my experience, but I'm in northen Europe and I've never heard or seen any gang-related news that weren't local. Even then it's rare.

Really? Maybe I haven't been paying enough attention to the media, but when were the last several killing sprees committed by women? Because if you're correct in your assertion that white men are no more likely to commit this kind of crime than any other group, 51% of gun-related killing sprees must be committed by women.

...I honestly don't think that's been the case. Unless female-driven mass killing sprees are notoriously unreported in the media. Which I doubt.

Was going to add 'except being male, obviously' as a clarification.

But I thought it went without need for mention.

Eh, not to me it wasn't. My first reaction was like "holy shit really? women do this that much?!" - women are people too.

Idk having lived in Japan extensively where men go on killing sprees just like back home, the whole "this is not exclusive to white men" seemed so obvious it went without saying.

So, why aren't we discussing why it's (almost always) men committing these kinds of killings? Because with single victim homocides, while men still dominate the statistics like they do almost all other forms of violent crime, women still make up a fair percentage of murderers.

Why are mass killings different?

There was an article in cnn or Time.com about exactly that ('the overwhelming maleness of mass killings' I think it was called) and of course everyone went into the comments to say "but being a man doesn't mean I'm biologically predisposed to violence!"

And I got to thinking that no, surely not biologically, but what about being socialized for it? The culture of male dominance through violence, etc. I didn't comment because I'm not comfortable having an account in those websites, but it sort of surprised me that no one else had thought to bring it up.

Well in order to admit that large parts of our behaviour are socially programmed, you open the door to a specific, often leftist worldview that many people are either reluctant to hold or outright opposed to. If parts of our behaviour aren't "hardwired", but rather "programmed", they can be changed. Social change is possible. And that disrupts the status quo.

There are many people who would rather eat nails than consider socialization a factor, thusly. (Even those they'll gladly proclaim the benefits of spanking to raising well-behaved children. I'll like to see where that comes from in the "lizard brain" ;p).

If parts of our behaviour aren't "hardwired", but rather "programmed", they can be changed. Social change is possible. And that disrupts the status quo.

especially in a society where taking personal responsibility for our lives and our behaviors is so abhorrent. too many times people want to blame outside forces for the things that go wrong in their lives when it really just comes down to personal responsibility for their actions. they do douchey things and only come up with reasons as to why they did it, none of which involved 'I thought I could get away with it' or 'I just wanted to' or anything that would show they knew what they were doing.

yeah so my boss is already making jokes about it on facebook.

I'm pretty appalled at it, especially considering I like the guy and respect him a bit (as opposed to if coworker I expect it from does it)

I was hoping he'd have put me on a work filter or something, this lacks common sense...

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