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fandomsecrets2012-08-18 03:14 pm
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And it was hilarious that they kept calling Blake a "hothead" when he was, like, entirely tranquil.
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(Anonymous) 2012-08-19 04:40 am (UTC)(link)But in TDKR, there's not really much there. There's clearly some sort of shout out to Occupy, and also callbacks to the Soviet experiment, but... where do you go with that? Yes, communism failed? Maybe class warfare fails equally badly in an anarchy? Don't hate rich people because the .000001% will return in a fancy piece of billion dollar technology and save you? Seriously, where do you go with it? Maybe I'm missing something.
Alternatively, I should stop trying to analyze comic book movies and just enjoy the lights and dramatic music.
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There's nothing wrong with a comic book movie just being great timelessly enjoyable and relatable entertainment without much complexity if that's what you're aiming for, but if you're going to go out on a limb and make a comic book movie into a really complex and symbolic piece full of all sorts of socio-political and philosophical commentary that weaves topical relevant themes into it's narrative, then you have an obligation to follow through with it and do it properly.
You can't go BUT NO IT'S A COMIC BOOK MOVIE YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANALYZE IT when people complain about the problems, because, um, no, it stopped being "just a comic book movie" when you decided to try to tackle all that deep stuff. Now it's a failed attempt at a "deep" movie and all that commentary you tried to do is so much pointless waffling that goes nowhere, clogging up the lights and dramatic music that are the only successfully-done parts of the movie.
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(Anonymous) 2012-08-19 06:27 am (UTC)(link)Yes. This. Thank you. I've talked to some of my friends about my problems with the movie, and the sort of amorphous sense of dissatisfaction I felt after watching it, and their responses were mostly *shrug* lolcomicz. But this comment sums up exactly why I think it's fair to criticize this movie on symbolic grounds-- because that's the arena Nolan herded us into. It is evident he intended the whole trilogy to be worth discussing on a deeper level.
I think I might also hold the plot line to a higher standard because of it. There were tons of niggling little things that bugged me (number one and most annoying and no one else ever seems to care: HOW DID THEY KNOW TO TURN OFF HIS POWER. Is his power company in the habit of regularly checking its clients stock portfolios, just to see if they might fail to pay next month's bill?? That seems hinky at best, Gotham Electric Co. Not to mention that even if he kept a vast majority of his money in stock of his own company (which. I won't even touch on that.), I sincerely doubt he had $0 in all private accounts. He can probably afford a couple hundred, even thousand, for electricity. But I digress.), and I think it's because the movies push themselves as sort of gritty realism in an alternate reality, and if you want to do that, you should at least aim for internal consistency. I know, drama is drama and makes for good Movie Moments, but if your viewers are pulled out of the Movie Moment by "waitwhatwtf?", it's less compelling. I want to be caring about Bruce's journey, not calculating his personal wealth. Though really, ymmv here more, because I know plenty of people who would call me unnecessarily nitpicky. I promise, I'm not even like this with most movies.
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