[ SECRET POST #2066 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2066 ⌋

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Comments

[nobara]

She isn't a convert because she was never Christened/baptized as a Catholic. Her mom is Catholic but non-practicing, so she was raised Jewish. She went from being a member of NO religious community to being a member of the Jewish religious community.

Also, a quick Googling (I never watched the OC) reveals that Seth Cohen had a Bar Mitzvah (and talks about them kind of a lot, according to OC quotes pages), and the OP doesn't consider him a "convert," apparently.

[inkdust]

No religion to a religion isn't also converting?

[nobara]

Not if you are RAISED IN THAT RELIGION FROM BIRTH. I meant she had no other religion as a baby (many of the Christian denominations do baptisms very early--she was never officially a part of her mother's religion, ever). I didn't specify that I was speaking specifically about young children. I guess I know a lot more about The OC than other people, despite never having watched it, because I was drawing an exact parallel between real life and Seth Cohen.

I am very tired so I am rambling, but anyway the point is: raised Jewish + went to Hebrew School + had a Bar/Bat Mitzvah = you are Jewish, it doesn't matter whether the uterus you came out of was Jewish or not. The OP assuming that conservative sects of Judaism are more proper/correct in their thinking is basically tantamount to saying that Catholics are the only proper Christians, and I'm sure more people would be as annoyed as I am if they thought about it that way.

[diet_poison]

Maybe according to the OP you'd still have to "formally convert" even after you were raised Jewish if your mother wasn't formally Jewish? (I'm not even sure if "formally converting" is a thing, like is there a ceremony or something? Because if it's a decision, then that could just be made over time.)

[inkdust]

I got something turned around there as far as upbringing vs later choice. Of course being raised in a religion eliminates the idea of conversion. But I agree with diet_poison that OP is probably very insistent on a formal conversion for anyone not matrilinear-whatsy Jewish.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm just gonna come in for a second on the Bar/Bat Mitzvah thing. There is a very often promoted idea that becoming Bar Mitzvah is a ceremonial rite of passage and that doing so affirms your Jewishness. No.

Becoming Bar Mitzvah automatically happens when a Jewish girl turns 12 and a Jewish boy turns 13. That's all you have to do -- survive to that birthday. Reading from the Torah for the first time isn't even necessary, and neither is the big party (though there's nothing wrong with that making the occasion special like that). Becoming Bar/Bat Mitzvah simply means you have reached the age in which you are formally considered an adult of the community. Your sins no longer go on your parents' record but your own now.

A Bar Mitzvah party is just that -- a party. It's nice if you the Bar/Bat Mitzvah kid can read from the Torah, but it's not necessary. If you are someone without a formal conversion or Jewish mother, you are simply someone that turned 12 or 13 and had a party.

[(Anonymous)]

What's so bad about having a formal conversion? I'm not even saying your friend would have to do an Orthodox one. If she was raised Jewish it's just a small step. Its acknowledging part of ancient Jewish law instead of pretending it's not relevant, and what is so bad about that? She wouldn't be lesser as a convert, in fact I would say she'd be a better Jew than most by following the law to a T.

[thren]

It's different, but not necessarily better or even equal. I converted Conservative, which I feel is most representative of Judaism as it's meant to be practised. If Reform/Reconstructionist/Renewal is how people want to express their Jewishness, that's fantastic for them. but it seems like they're trying to be true to the spirit of the law instead of the letter, and that's *not* a Jewish value. Where is the line between 'non-traditional' and something completely new?