[ SECRET POST #2069 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2069 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Important: I'm really sorry about this, but I accidentally clicked the wrong thing and deleted the submission post from last week instead of saving it. Managed to save the first page (25) of secrets, but the rest (a bit over 100) are gone.

If you submitted something last week (Aug 26-Sept 1), please resubmit it here and it will still go up this week.

The submissions post for next week is linked below as usual.

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #296.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fingalsanteater]

No one cares about Loki? You've got to be kidding.

You frequent F!S, right? You don't even have to touch the main fandom to know that a lot of people care about Loki.

[(Anonymous)]

da

LOL seriously. All I ever seem to hear about Avengers is Clint/Coulson and woobie!Loki. People either love them or hate them, but they sure as fuck care about them.

[(Anonymous)]

But that's because you're in fandom. Most people, period, who watched the movie don't even know that "woobie!Loki" or Clint/Coulson are even things that exist. Fandom has a completely different way of looking at these films than most human beings do.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm in fandom but I'm not in Avengers fandom. I don't need to be to hear about C/C or woobie!Loki.

Loki's a popular character, even outside of fandom. People like him. Or they like to hate him. Either way. He makes money. I don't know where he'd rank in a popularity contest or anything but he's a good character and TPTB are very, very aware of that.

[(Anonymous)]

Don't get me wrong, I know that fandom isn't the only sector of the population that appreciates Loki. It is, however, probably near the only part that is obsessed enough with him to want what would most likely have to be half of "The Avengers" to not actually be about the Avengers.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm lost as to why Loki being mind controlled would mean half of Avengers 2 wouldn't be about the Avengers. At worst, it would open up the possibility for Loki to be an Avenger and in that case it still wouldn't be LOKI THE MOVIE (guest starring the Avengers) but Loki as one among a cast of a dozen or so other characters.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, yes. Getting a demonstrably evil psychopath who murdered the friend of a superhero team among dozens of other people, tried to commit genocide, and is literally the god of lying to convince said superhero team that he's totally actually good and was being mind-controlled, and also demonstrate to the audience that the superheroes don't have a combined IQ of 45 for falling for this, wouldn't take half a movie. It would take an entire movie. At least.

[(Anonymous)]

But he isn't the god of lying in the movies.

And in the scenario we're talking about, he would have been brain washed during the stuff you're talking about and the people making that call have personal, first hand experience with also being brainwashed and being forced to do bad things. Just saying.

[(Anonymous)]

He kind of is. That's why every single thing he did was suspected to be a scheme or a lie or attempt at manipulation. I think it's extremely unrealistic for the Avengers to take "sorry for being a serial killer, guys, someone made me do it" at face value from Loki of all people, much less doing so and then allowing him to be on their superhero team. What does he even have to offer them?

I'm 99.9% sure this will never ever happen anyway, but if it did it would be a blow to the credibility of the characters we're meant to be rooting for.

[(Anonymous)]

...But in the movies, he's not even really a god. He's not the god of lies. If he were a god of anything, he'd be the god of chaos or the god of mischief.

IDK, if Loki claims to have been brainwashed and they've got Thor saying he was acting out of character and the brainwashing wore off after getting pummeled by the Hulk (the trigger to get rid of the brainwashing on Clint, so precedence has been set), and he's been working for the mind control aliens, then yeah. Something tells me that they might believe him. Not give him the keys to the kingdom or anything, not immediately trust him, but view it as plausible.

As for what he offers? He's Loki. He's a skilled and powerful magician. The Avengers are a great team but there's not a whole lot of them. There are thousands of Chitauri. Tens of thousands of them. Tony got to see some of their army when he jumped through the portal and there were more there than the Avengers could easily handle. Additional firepower is a GOOD thing.

It seems strange to me to be so close minded about a concept. Any plot can be done well, no matter how outlandish.

[(Anonymous)]

Having the Avengers trust a character who was so horrible and murdered and harmed people they care about and set up to basically parallel Hitler would alienate more viewers -- including me, I'd have to say -- than would introducing an existing Marvel character who:

1) is probably already coming up given the franchise that's rolling along (there are so many potential Avengers that they could bring in that are actual heroes!)
2) can do what Loki does
3) is not a genocidal maniac

And on top of all that, it's a terribly cliched way to do "maybe he's not exactly that terrible". I just can't see why they'd even do it, especially if it means revisiting the exact same enemies and threats they just did in the previous movie.

[(Anonymous)]

But why on earth would the second movie have the Chitauri AGAIN? The same villain two movies in a row, and they aren't even compelling interesting villains, but just run-of-the-mill world conquering storm-trooper dipshits whose main purpose was to give Loki manpower?

Man, I loved the first movie because the focus was on getting the team together rather than their relationship with the villain, but for the second movie? I'm dying to see Thanos kicking their asses through the first two acts and being a real, threatening, fascinating, never-seen-before villain.

[(Anonymous)]

The Avengers made over a billion dollars worldwide. It may feel like those all could have been fourteen-year-old fangirls on tumblr, but the fact remains that they still constitute what most film-watchers would consider a small and bizarre fringe group.

[intrigueing]

Yeah, this.

[fingalsanteater]

People like an interesting villain. Most people, not just fangirls. And, if he were retconned into a sort of anti-hero... well, people love anti-heroes too.

[(Anonymous)]

Fandom's take on Loki is kind of beyond just "liking an interesting villain". That's my point here, they're two different levels of investment.

[(Anonymous)]

I find it pretty insulting that you'd equate people with an interest in Loki's character with "fourteen year old fangirls". I'm pretty sick of people sneering at fangirls (or teenage girls) in general, actually.

Lots of people have an interest in Loki. Most of them are not 14 year old fangirls and it's not a bad thing to be a 14 year old fangirl anyway. People not in fandom at all like Loki either because they like a good villain or because they want him to be redeemed.

[(Anonymous)]

da

Yeah, but they wouldn't write fic or have in-depth discussions or write fic or go over subtext or write fic or make gifsets or write fic and stuff. They'd just...appreciate the story. All by itself.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not arguing that no one likes Loki, or that all people who like Loki are those people. I'm arguing that these are two different groups and levels of investment, and fandom is one of the few places where people are so used to doing the work of creating plots, relationships, and subtext out of nothing themselves that they forget that pulling plot twists and character development out of nowhere is bad writing on the part of the creators of the source material, even if a small part of the population is so heavily invested that they came up with it themselves independently out of desperation to see a character become a different kind of character.

I'm not psychic, I can't say whether or not any kind of redemption is in store for Loki. But I think, in addition to Avengers pretty much creating a rock-bottom of murderous evilness for Loki, its success probably set a tone that is what the vast majority of people who watched it responded to and will respond to -- Loki is a terrible person, and seeing him get the shit beat out of him by superheroes is fun.

Regardless, I apologize for the potshot at teenage girls. I realize that not all obsessive movie-Loki fans are part of that demographic.

[iggy]

Fandom is only a small, small part of the general viewing audience though.

No your average person who goes to see Avengers or your average kid who buys action figures doesn't generally care much about Loki.