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⌈ Secret Post #2071 ⌋

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Well, why did he kill him? Safety? Money? Anger?

Combination of the first and latter ones.

Mike had the names of nine people that posed a threat to Walt's safety and wouldn't give it to him. Then he starts insulting Walt for not knowing his place and it escalates.

In the end, it had nothing to do with safety, though. He did it because he was angry.

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Not to mention Hank has threatened to or TRIED to kill Walt numerous times.

But Walt killing him pushes him beyond the moral event horizon.

Oops meant MIKE not Hank. Sorry.

Yeah I'd say poisoning a child (even if that was to save him and his family) is more morally heinous than shooting a criminal who's responsible for deaths of a lot more people.

Plus, people whine that his granddaughter won't know what happened to him. Hello? Mike was going to do the same thing to Lydia and her daughter, even when she begged him to leave her body so her daughter would know that she didn't abandon her! Ugh.

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I don't think it's a moral event horizon, in that he already crossed that with Brock.

However, I do think his killing of Mike felt different from his other killings because it was really -- at least in my readings of it -- about his being angry. Angry that Mike defied him by not giving him the names, but mostly angry that Mike insulted him.

Even poisoning Brock (though very evil and the moment I stopped rooting for him) was done as part of his master plan to kill Gus.

Exactly. I actually don't think killing Mike specifically is the unforgivable thing, because like, Mike is cool and all, but yeah, he's a criminal and a murderer too. This is the first time, however, that Walt has killed or seriously hurt someone and it hasn't been in some way justified by being part of the grand master plan "for his family's safety." It's the first time he's killed in cold blood for basically no reason.

I think Walt's been irredeemable for several seasons now.

However, here his irredeemability was front and center. At least with poisoning Brock, he did it off screen. But here Mike a) shows commendable loyalty to his former comrades by refusing to sell them out, and b) calls Walt out for being a total fucking liability, which is completely accurate.

Walt decides to kill Mike because he's angry. Killing him accomplished nothing (and will ultimately make things much harder for him when Jesse finds out) but he did it because he was angry and he wanted to do it.

People who've excused Walt's shitty behavior in the past as being founded in rationality would've had a hard time with his killing Mike in this way, since his actions came from totally unfounded self-righteous anger and lacked any kind of rationale, save the fact that in that moment he just really wanted to shoot Mike.

Thing is, the whole thing wouldn't have escalated to where it got if Mike and Gus hadn't tried to off Walter, for what, saving Jesse and killing some scumbag dealers who had killed a child before? And prior to that Walter had tried to prevent the situation by going to Gus for help.

A lot of things Walt can be blamed on but really...what was he supposed to do? Let Gus kill him?

Walt's problems with Gus were ultimately all of his own making, whether or not he had good reasons for doing the things he did at the time. And certainly by the time Walt killed Mike, he was so morally compromised that there's no reading of the text, I feel, that lets him off the hook for the way things went down.

Walt wants everything to be on his terms, because he thinks he's better and smarter than everyone else around him.

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(Anonymous) - 2012-09-03 22:17 (UTC) - Expand

I don't know, but I think that it being the first one that wasn't done out of self-defense (or an idea of it), and not pre-meditated for convoluted reasons he justifies for himself (like Brock's poisoning), is what folk are talking about. Walt took the gun as a precaution, and that was definitely a good idea seeing how Mike has constantly threatened and assaulted him, but there was nothing justifiable about shooting him in a fit of anger. It works out for Walt in hindsight.

This wasn't about Walt pulling a turnabout of power, or making a plan to get out of anything. It was an impulse decision to get back at someone who slighted him by never giving him his self-warranted respect.

Though seriously, after Brock and this season being all about Walt's ego, I don't get the people who were surprised at this. It wasn't even the worst thing he's done imo.

I guess it's because it was (a) his friend, or at least someone he knew well and had worked with for a long time, and (b) totally unnecessary. He really only did it because Mike insulted his almighty ego and he got mad. But yeah, personally I think his Moral Event Horizon was poisoning Brock. Letting Jane die was horrible, but it certainly wasn't planned and he clearly felt bad about it. But with Brock...wow.

Mike hasn't been Walt's friend for a long time now if he was ever at all.

I think he crossed it when he let Jane die.

You mean the girl that was blackmailing Walt and getting Jesse hooked on drugs?

Yep, that one. She still didn't deserve to die.

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sabotabby - 2012-09-03 22:43 (UTC) - Expand

Originally he was either going to shoot her up or push her over himself but it was vetoed because it was too much too early.

I don't think that was a breaking point for him (he crossed it long time ago), but it certainly was for us the viewers. Walt has done many unforgivable things, but this time he killed someone we cared about, someone we liked. I felt bad about the kid Walt poisoned, but I didn't have any emotional attachment to him. With Mike, he was one of my favourites characters.

The difference is, this death was completely unnecessary. Even Walt said so himself, it could have been avoided.

Everything else Walt did, as terrible as they were, had some kind of self preservation motivation to it that could justify it from a skewed point of view. Even letting Jane die, and poisoning Brock, was something that Walt thought he had no choice but to do in order to protect himself (and Jesse to some extent, in Jane's case).

But killing Mike was out of sheer anger, jealousy, feeling emasculated, etc. In other words, it was a purely emotional act.

So in other words, Walt crossed the line from doing what "needed" to be done, to being able to simply kill just because he felt like it.

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