[ SECRET POST #2071 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2071 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Important: I'm really sorry about this, but I accidentally misclicked and deleted the submission post from last week instead of saving it. Managed to save the first page (25) of secrets, but the rest (about 100 or so) are gone.

If you submitted something last week (Aug 26-Sept 1), please resubmit it here.

The submissions post for next week is below as usual.

Secrets Left to Post: ?? pages, ??? secrets from Secret Submission Post #296.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

maybe it would help if her character was as interesting as his was

[(Anonymous)]

lol

If you think Loki's a more interesting character than Natasha, then you must think Loki is a more interesting character than EVERY Avenger (with the possible exception of Tony and maybe Steve). Still not an explanation.

[(Anonymous)]

Loki was interesting during Thor, now he's just dull and kind of cliche. Natasha is way more interesting than he ever was.

[(Anonymous)]

Loki in Thor > Natasha

[(Anonymous)]

Nope. Thor was basically Loki throwing a tantrum because he found out he was adopted, trying to start a war that he'd already seen his brother cast out for trying to start, because of an inferiority complex.

What we know about Natasha: she worked for the bad guys, killing people, and was very good at it. SHIELD sent Clint to kill her, but he didn't. She joined SHIELD and now she's trying to make up for everything she did in the past.

Who trained her? Who did she kill? Are any of those people going to want revenge at some point? What about her made Clint decide not to kill her? Why didn't she just kill him when he didn't kill her? Why did she join SHIELD? What happened during all those incidents? Who did she work for before? Is love really for children, or does she love someone? Clint? The Winter Soldier? Someone else? Does she really think she can make up for everything she's done?

Natasha>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Loki

[(Anonymous)]

lol, no. I know it's cool to diminish things you don't like. I get it. But dismissing Loki's characterization out-of-hand while acting as if Black Widow is some deep, complex character is pretty pathetic.

It's a comic book movie. NONE of the characters are deeper than they appear.

There's a reason Natasha and Clint didn't get their own set-up films for the 'Avengers.' Prior to the film's release, there was no way to make either of those characters engaging enough to sustain a whole film. Perhaps Marvel might be able to do something starring either of them now, but they're minor characters, unpowered people in a super-powered universe.

Any Super-Powered Marvel Hero/Heroine>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Romanov or Barton.

See? I can make my opinion look like fact, too.

[intrigueing]

It's a comic book movie. NONE of the characters are deeper than they appear.

Um, no? It's actually exactly the opposite. In comic book movies all characters are deeper than they appear because the screenwriters adapt their character from decades of continuity to fit 2 hours of screentime. That's a big reason why I like comic book movies so much more than most action movies.

[dazzledfirestar]

It's a comic book movie. NONE of the characters are deeper than they appear.

LOL You're cute.

Because you need your favorite characters to be all flash and bang does not mean everyone else has to agree with you. The challenge of being a superhero without all that flashy magic/tech/whathaveyou is very interesting to MANY fans.

But whatever, anon. Have fun with your dismissal of the only female (and on that note, only POC character, since you can't possibly find Nick Fury interesting either since OMG HE CAN'T BLOW SHIT UP WITH HIS EYE OR ANYTHING!) character we've been introduced to. Bravo.

[(Anonymous)]

So, you think Batman is boring too, amirite? I mean, at least compared to Superman, the Green Lantern, Wonderwoman, The Flash, and, oh, Aquaman.

[lunabee34]

This has already been trolled the hell out of. Try again.

[(Anonymous)]

because only a troll could think loki is a better character!

[lunabee34]

We are on the same wavelength! Whooooo! Success!

Also, *pets you*. It's cool to like Loki better. It's not cool to say that because Loki is better, Natasha should be left out of merchandising or fan art or whatever. Those two things are not the same.

[(Anonymous)]

merchandising is one thing, fan art is another. fans shouldn't have to be obligated to draw all the characters if they don't want to.

[lunabee34]

I'm confused. There's not a fandom obligation law? What?

Just joshing ya, Anon. No, no one in fandom is obligated to do anything really. :) The secret is about how the OP judges people who purport to post a photo set of the Avengers and leave out Natasha. I also judge. I think it do sayeth a thing or do two about the poster, and I'd extrapolate for my own self to people who purport to draw team fic art of the Avengers and leave out Natasha (or Clint as some have mentioned, or Bruce or Tony or Cap or you know. Any of the Avengers. Who are Avengers.)

[diet_poison]

Yeah, if you're going to draw a team photo then I'll raise my eyebrows at leaving off any of them...but you have to admit leaving out Natasha is way more eyebrow-raising-worthy than leaving out the guys, for Obvious Reasons. Especially if you decide to include Nick and/or Coulson and/or Loki. But even if you don't. Yeah.

[lunabee34]

I think we are on the same page. ;)

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

Man, I love Loki, but STFU. Natasha was kickass. Literally.

And you know, the people with a hateboner for Loki need to STFU, too. People are allowed to like a character you don't without you being a dick about it.

*loves the whole cast*

[(Anonymous)]

This +infinity

[iggy]

Lol Natasha is so much more interesting than Loki.

and hotter.

[(Anonymous)]

Nah. The only that'd help (for most fans of your mould) is if she had a dick. If anyone actually believes BW would have anywhere near the same level of 'uh, she just stands there / eye-candy / boring / Clint/Natasha is yuck, they should be platonic!!!' if it was a guy with the same role, I have a unicorn fairy bridge to sell you.

[altumcor]

Now that I've got the time actually sit down and reply to something without much distractions...

As someone who has only seen the Avengers and just the first Iron Man movie, I had no expectations, and I have to say, Black Widow was one of the better characters and I didn't take to Loki much since throughout the film. At first, I just thought he was an annoying dick. I only started to like him because I run with the crowd who does and I've since adopted their fondness for him through fanart.

I can understand just liking the guys on a really shallow level, because I get like that too. But to pass it off as something based on the merits of character, as in "oh, I didn't include Black Widow because she doesn't do much and she's a fanservicey character"... it doesn't reflect well on you. Besides, from what I've seen, fanservice features more Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, and Loki than Black Widow...

Another reason why I'd like to see Black Widow included more in the team dynamic, however small? None of the guys are redheads, so she fills that slot for me.

[(Anonymous)]

lol troll harder

[(Anonymous)]

Being a dude qualifies as more interesting to a lot of shallow people.