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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2012-09-05 06:36 pm

[ SECRET POST #2073 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2073 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[MCR/Killjoys]


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[Stephen Merchant]


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[Mobile Suit Gundam]


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[Lord of the Rings]


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[Eureka]


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[Zeta Gundam]


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[Game of Thrones]


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[Hannibal Lecter]


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Notes:

Important: I'm really sorry about this, but I accidentally misclicked and deleted the submission post from last week instead of saving it. Managed to save the first page (25) of secrets, but the rest (about 100 or so) are gone.

If you submitted something last week (Aug 26-Sept 1), please resubmit it here.

The submissions post for next week is below as usual.

Secrets Left to Post: ?? pages, ??? secrets from Secret Submission Post #296.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

[personal profile] trollometer 2012-09-06 12:04 am (UTC)(link)
People who are genuinely ignorant in the ways you described typically do not benefit from education via anonymous Internet nobodies.

Calling troll is way to shut down and avoid discussion on topics we've discussed and discussed and discussed countless times before. The type of topics that don't have a resolution and may result in hurt feelings. We know people have stupid opinions, opinions that we don't agree with or opinions that are problematic. Calling troll is a way to tell someone we think they are a moron, without expending the energy on why.

In regards to calling troll on this comm: How many times do we have to see a secret questioning why blackface cosplay is wrong or why loli/shota art is problematic? How many SanSan shipping secrets or Darth Vader/Ramsay Bolton secrets are enough? If you missed the conversation the first few times, then too bad.

There's a point where the ignorance of certain issues or trends on the comm become laughable and ridiculous. That's when we call troll. So you really ship SanSan, oh well. Should've got in before the trolls started spamming the comm. So you really don't get what's so bad about blackface? Let Google be your guide; we're tired.

And, sometimes it's not what you say, but how you say it. The words you use, your phrasing, etc. Present your thoughts the wrong way and your serious query can come off flippant and disingenuous. Avoiding misunderstandings over the Internet is something you learn through practice. And no one will ever be perfect.

(Anonymous) 2012-09-06 12:55 am (UTC)(link)
What do you have against Ramsay and Vader's epic love? That pairing is OMG SO CANON!!1!

[personal profile] trollometer 2012-09-06 01:01 am (UTC)(link)
Ha! I meant the / as an "or," but now I want to see how someone would handle a Vader/Ramsay fic. Awesomely, I hope.
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[personal profile] world_eater 2012-09-06 06:19 am (UTC)(link)
Calling troll is way to shut down and avoid discussion on topics

That's exactly why it sucks though. This community is for discussion, the only one who should shut down discussions is techno.

And more often than not I have the feeling people call troll to be on the safe side because they don't want the "embarassment" of falling for troll (the horror!).

(Anonymous) 2012-09-06 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)
People called troll on my Tom Hiddleston face blind secret a couple of weeks ago. I'm still don't understand why they thought I was trolling ._.
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[personal profile] nyxelestia 2012-09-06 06:20 am (UTC)(link)
...I got most of my SJ knowledge from "Internet nobodies", and was relatively ignorant before that point.

Calling troll is way to shut down and avoid discussion on topics we've discussed and discussed and discussed countless times before.

Just because you have discussed this over and over and over again doesn't meant they have. People are introduced to fandom, to activism, and to social justice all the time. What's old news for you is brand spankin' new for them. At the very least, if this has been discussed to death, does it hurt to link someone new to the topic to the previous threads/places/ect this has been discussed, so they can catch up?

That's my annoyance with the "lol troll" reaction: people forget a time when they themselves were ignorant and that they, too, had to start somewhere, and had to learn this stuff. Yes, there are trolls, plenty of them - but just as often, they are someone who genuinely has no idea that what they are saying or suggesting or the phrasing/terminology they are using is offensive.