[ SECRET POST #2075 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2075 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Twilight]


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[Christian Bale, Scott Disik]


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10. [SPOILERS for Misfits]



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11. [SPOILERS for A Song of Ice and Fire]



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12. [SPOILERS for the Vampire Diaries]



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13. [WARNING for rape]



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14. [WARNING for suicide]

[Truffaldino from Bergamo (1976)]


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15. [WARNING for pedophilia, rape]

[DC Comics]


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16. [WARNING for depression]

[Zac Little/AngryFilmsProduction (YouTube)]


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17. [WARNING for child abuse]















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Comments

[al28894]

The thing is, how many girls are going to be influenced by this book when they search for romance?

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, girls are too stupid to tell fiction from reality and shouldn't read such dangerous books. They should only read books that have been cleared by people like me who know better.

[al28894]

Uh, most girls do have a sense of reason. I was just saying "How many..." could be influenced. Just because some people are making wrong decisions doesn't mean everyone from the same group is (are? English isn't my language).

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry for being snarky. I just get tired of this "OMG! It's ~dangerous~ for girls" pearl clutching I see from some Twilight haters. And some of them do think that girls are too stupid to tell fiction from reality and should be "protected" and come very close to advocating censorship.

How many girls could be influenced by Twilight? How many girls could get influenced by "Phantom of the Opera" (the musical)? Or any number of other media that romanticize problematic relationships. How about real life?

I've never read Twilight so I don't know how bad it is or how much is exaggerated. It just confuses me why this get singled out when there are so many other things, things that are far less subtle, that girls and young women are exposed to every day that can be more dangerous than some stupid fantasy vampire novel.

[al28894]

Well, to be perfectly honest, I don't know. There simply isn't a survey big survey big enough to cover every single woman in the entire planet as to question the 'media influence' part (not to mention that people sometimes lie...). Still, the thought that somewhere out there, a woman is thinking that these kinds of relationships are romantic are pretty scary and sad...

As to why people are jumping over Twilight? I guess it wasn't so much that the media changed, it was the people. In My Personal Opinion, as fandom moved from the 1990's to the 2000's, more and more young people are now aware of the misogyny and 'just-plain-wrongness' of shows, books, movies, etc. through the internet. So now that they know what's wrong or right, they will try to badmouth or over-exaggerate any kind of media that has a sliver of 'wrongness' even if it was intentional and relevant to the plot.

Along came Twilight, with it's plot-holes and suggestions of abusive relationships. While it's true that the book has major flaws, I don't think it's the "be all and end all" of bad literature. That position goes to bad fanfic writers.

Just my opinion though.

[(Anonymous)]

That's an odd jump in logic. You do realize there is no intelligence meter to being influenced by something. Everyone is influenced by their surroundings, no matter their intelligence.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, but acting like girls are suddenly these naive and impressionable beings who can't think for themselves and therefore Twilight is BAD BAD BAD, when no one bats an eye at boys thinking the Joker is cool. People give men the benefit of the doubt regarding their interests, but with women it's always "oh shit, they might start thinking this is safe" as if they're kids trying on a cape and thinking it'll make them fly.

[(Anonymous)]

I certainly bat an eye at boys idolizing the Joker, and it is true that girls are impressionable and naive (because almost everyone is when they're young.) The fact that these books are marketed for the naive, impressionable age does make it a bad thing, and I don't know why people can't see that.

[fadeinthewash]

One can only discard harmful ideas if one has the foundation that tells them they are harmful (or false). Explaining the problems of Twilight does not necessarily presume anyone or everyone is too stupid to have noticed them on their own-- ignorance (real or perceived) is not intelligence/stupidity. When you were a wee child, you probably took at face value some stories of fairies or Santa or something, until the time came you were enlightened otherwise, by your own reasoning or someone else. On the other hand, if no one ever, ever told you there weren't really fairies at the bottom of the garden, would you know to recognize fairies as fabrications-- "to tell fiction from reality"--when you got older? All of life is learning, one way or another. The reality of fairies is easy; the nuances of abuse are not.

[elialshadowpine]

^ this.

I talked about it upthread but also, as someone raised in a family that was emotionally and sometimes physically abusive... in comparison, someone like Edward, who claims to be doing all this for Bella's safety and because he loves her, can look really damn good. And that's a reality that no small number of girls grow up in.

[fadeinthewash]

As I said, though, fairies are easy. The nuances of abuse are hard. Many atheists grew up religiously, but you know what? Atheists are a minority in the global population. Most of the people raised religiously keep on being religious.

[diet_poison]

This isn't about "girls are stupid". Boys and men are also very, very much influenced for the worse by some of the grosser things in society.

[(Anonymous)]

You're right. Everyone is really super intelligent and is never influenced by media or cultural idioms. This is why things like sexism and racism are no longer problems in our society, because people are so above social influence that it's impossible for such attitudes to be passed down.

[(Anonymous)]

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