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fandomsecrets2012-09-08 03:44 pm
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[ SECRET POST #2076 ]
⌈ Secret Post #2076 ⌋
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(Anonymous) 2012-09-09 01:11 am (UTC)(link)He's not using it to say 'you owe me' here, and it is never implied that he ever uses it for that purpose (or even brings it up ever at any other point, since he usually tries to ignore it), he's just trying to illustrate that he has more love to lose, not because "I DID THIS FOR YOU" but because "I have so much love for you I managed to do this.", and it's a reasonable conclusion for him to make when she just threw him out.
Of course the whole argument is pointless, because he could have just said "You have been being converted longer, I haven't been yet, let me carry the ring for a bit." but then they couldn't have their big reveal argument.
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... which is a way of saying he's better than she is. Like I said.
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(Anonymous) 2012-09-09 03:08 am (UTC)(link)Regardless, I didn't see it as him lording it over her. She was being turned into a puppet of the Daleks. The Doctor said that it was important to hold on to feelings of love to stave off the infection--and since Rory feels as if he has MORE love than her (and, as other anon pointed out, he has reason to), it would take slower on him. It would SAVE HER LIFE. He was trying to make her understand that she didn't need to take his wrist thing out of some token of love (since he believes she no longer loves him), or affection, but out of simple, as he put it, arithmetic. He loves her more, here is why.
So this is an exceptional circumstance that he brings it up.
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He's not saying he's better, any more than I would be a better person than you if I loved cake more than you did.
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(Anonymous) 2012-09-09 02:13 pm (UTC)(link)no subject
(Anonymous) 2012-09-09 06:14 am (UTC)(link)Say, for whatever reason, we must keep Amy and Rory splitting up over the summer. It's not because they can't communicate, it's because... hmm. Amy, who now knows the Doctor is real, keeps looking wistfully back at their adventures, which, while dangerous, were exciting and fun and every day was different, and she's not adjusting well to the mundane life. Rory feels like he's being ignored and passed over in favor of someone who isn't even there and whom he can't compete with because they aren't even on the same plane. Amy's also harboring some trauma, guilt, etc, over the whole River Song, can't-have-kids thing, but at this point when she tries to tell him by leading into it (ex "You know that time when"), Rory just can't deal, because he feels like she's stuck in the past, and she can't explain well enough to get him to realize what she's trying to tell him. They fight, and now you have Amy thinking Rory's sick of her and vice versa.
This goes on for a little while. Eventually some apologies are exchanged. They kiss and make up, but something doesn't heal quite right, like broken fingers that no one bothered to set. They grow apart, Amy withdrawing further into "When things were good" and Rory feeling increasingly alienated. The two of them aren't really husband and wife anymore: they're two people who happen to have a lot of legal connections to the each other.
Still, neither of them ever really utters the word "divorce." Because for all that it's not right now, they want it to work, they want it to be - not like it was, but they want what it was to have changed as they did, and neither is quite ready to admit that it hasn't, and maybe can't and won't. They're cold and distant, almost professional, keeping a quiet, tense, clockwork truce. There are a few attempts to talk it out, set right whatever went wrong, but it never works. They can't solve this in an hour, or an afternoon.
Both of them are tired. Both of them have almost forgotten what it was like to care so bone-deeply that they would wait two thousand years, or ask themselves to "defy destiny, causality, the nexus of time itself" for the other. And then the Doctor happens.
Well, more specifically, Asylum of the Daleks happens.
And you know what? There's no epiphany therapy. There's no big reveal with hearts pounding and music swelling and a Big Damn Kiss. Rory just says, "Here," and holds out his bracelet. "I have more time left than you."
And Amy opens her mouth to protest, and then sees the logic in this, and just takes it and says, "Thank you," quietly and steadily. The two of them wait, not talking, just sitting next to each other on the teleporter, until the Doctor comes back. (He hadn't given Amy his bracelet here because their discontent was less loud and superficial, but rather slow and poisoning instead. And, I dunno, he'd choke immediately if he did. Shut up.)
And they don't immediately get back together. They don't kiss and make up, not right then and there. Nothing is really resolved. But as they keep traveling with the Doctor, seeing beautiful lands and nigh-mystical beings and running, always running for their lives, they start to see. Every time Rory waits, every time Amy chooses him, they start to see where it went wrong. And they tell each other. Not in a big shouting match, where revelations are used to pierce and with deadly effect. But quietly, and sadly, and sometimes it's just part of the conversation they're having, and sometimes Rory will pause in the middle of what he's saying and just blindly trot out something like, "It's all right, you know. That you love being here so much. I... I do too, but - not - when we aren't there-" and Amy will nod, and although Rory has said much the same before, this time she's a bit closer to understanding exactly what he means.
And sometimes Amy will pull him away from tinkering with the Doctor and say something like, "We need to talk," and what's amazing is that they actually do, they talk and listen and they pretend the Doctor isn't listening too, and they realize they aren't perfect. They're only human, only them. And that's enough, really. They have their flaws but they still refract light when held up to the sun.
And by the end of the season, they're more or less back to normal. But they're not the same. They've changed and learnt and grown around each other, both as characters and as people. There's something subtly different about the way each of them hold themselves, in the way Rory will kiss Amy good morning and the way Amy steps out of the TARDIS while holding Rory's hand.
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(Anonymous) 2012-09-09 10:24 am (UTC)(link)And, frankly, fandom secrets would still be full of people who didn't get that's what was being subtly sketched in, and ranting about how it was stupid.
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