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Also anon, for obvious reasons.

Even if it is murder, I don't really see the problem. It's socially acceptable to murder innocent people in our society, provided it's for "good reasons", and we do it all the time. We start wars knowing there will be "collateral damage" (i.e. we will murder innocent people as a direct result) but do so anyway because we think we're protecting our freedoms/freedoms of others/the interests of oil businesses. So, that's perfectly okay. We also murder innocent people through the justice system, by means of capital punishment. The Innocence Project has already proven the innocence of at least 14 (and counting) executed prisoners. We know this happens, we accept it as justified because we believe it acts as a "deterrent" to other criminals. I.e. we kill a few to, ostensibly, save more. Or something more important. Even better, we pay for this state-sponsored murder of innocent people with our taxes.

So, saving the life/health/sanity of a woman seems like a perfect justifiable reason to take an innocent life, even if you consider the fetus one. Honestly I'd rather pre-formed human with no consciousness die than a fully-formed adult human with a family die because a racist jury decided he was guilty on dubious evidence. Of the evils and atrocities I support with my tax dollars, honestly that's pretty minor. Dead fetus versus bombed school? No-brainer.

Yet almost all "pro-life" people are pro-war and pro-capital punishment. Fuck this earth.

prolifer above, I'm anti-death penalty for the reasons you mentioned and I only support war when it's to stop things like genocide or when you're defending against an attack.

You believe a person has a right to kill in self-defense? Then I argue abortion is in defense of the woman's right to her body, emotional and mental well-being, and quality of life. As well as the fact that even for healthy women pregnancy and labor can be life-threatening.

if the person is actively trying to harm you? yeah. But I wouldn't shoot someone because they're unknowingly upsetting me, or because they gave me a deadly strain of the flu, or something.

and these days a pregnancy isn't really life-threatening, at least in my country for a healthy woman.

if they're that concerned about being pregnant, then they should use birth control.

Shooting someone who gives you the flu will not get rid of the disease. Terminating a fetus does stop it from continuing to change and affect your body and health.

There is always risk involved when you're talking about pregnancy and labor no matter what kind of medical care you have access to. Pregnancy has many, many symptoms that directly impact someone's quality of life for the duration of and even permanently after. Not everyone is in a position where they are able to financially, physically, emotionally sustain a pregnancy until adoption. Labor can be a hugely traumatic event for women who do choose to have a child. I have no idea how people can believe in forcing someone through that ordeal against their wishes.

Are you seriously arguing no one has ever gotten pregnant while using birth control?

I'm not arguing that, no, but that's a risk that people know exist when they have sex.

So you support abortion access for rape victims? And believe if women don't want a pregnancy they just should never have sex?

If you believe in the right to self-defense, then abortion in the case of a mother's life or health being endangered is completely morally justified.

and i disagree. the fetus is not attackingits mother. it's two completely separate things.

New Anon

Well no, the fetus is not attacking its mother, that's true. But pregnancy complications exist that can be very harmful for the mother but pose no danger for the fetus. Ectopic pregnancy is one example, where the fetus implants itself inside a woman's fallopian tube instead of her uterus. I wholeheartedly support abortion in this case. Because you know that the consequence is? The death of the mother.

This actually happened to my mother. She didn't want to aborted the fetus that implanted itself in her fallopian tube. The fetus ended up ripped open her fallopian tube, causing great internal bleeding and immediate life danger (my mother literally would have died for sure if she had arrived at the hospital an hour later than she did because she was bleeding out). We were lucky we had the medical support needed to save her life. Not everyone is so lucky.

So you are saying that just because the fetus is not attacking its mother, it shouldn't be aborted even if the mother's life or health is being endangered by the presence of the fetus?

No. Fuck you.

FUCK YOU.

Because, according to you, all for a fetus that would definitely have killed my mother without medical intervention, my mother should not be alive today and I should not have any of the younger siblings that were born after the ectopic pregnancy.

FUCK. YOU.

In other words, a fetus has more of a right to live than its mother? Because that's what you're just decided. Women are to die to give a fetus a chance at life. Women who are (usually) already mothers and already have dependents and lives and loved ones should literally die so that a human with no brain stem might someday have one.

Seriously, what?

I agree that abortion is killing a living thing. Frankly, I've felt for a long time that pro-choicers weaken their argument when they skirt over this, so I stopped doing it. Plenty of animal species can self-abort to adjust for population and food, or nonviability of fetus - but the one sentient species that can reason and plan long-term shouldn't be allowed to take responsibility for population control of its own species?

But more than that, so long as the burden of birth, prenatal care, and post-birth support is on only one half of the species - biologically and legally - it's not right to make laws that tell that half they're stuck with whatever happens to their bodies, their time, and their wallets that will NEVER be forced on the other half of the species in the same way. (For any drive by commenters extolling the virtues of child support, I can refer you to a massively long list of single mothers who've never seen a dime from the father. Believe me, if those assholes duck and hide, there's not much any state here, at least, can do to correct it.)

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