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fandomsecrets2012-09-12 07:00 pm
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[ SECRET POST #2080 ]
⌈ Secret Post #2080 ⌋
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(Anonymous) 2012-09-13 09:02 pm (UTC)(link)THIS. Intent matters a lot, but you can hurt someone deeply without meaning to at all. Parents have baggage, and can be really imperfect without having anything but love for their kids. And kids are individuals. The fact that X makes your first child feel loved and seen doesn't mean it'll be what your next child needs.
Thor and Loki were night-and-day different, as people. My background is more in Norse mythology than it is in superheroes, but Loki always had to deal with the fact that he was an outsider. He got flack from the other gods, and the culture that dreamed them up, for not being conventionally strong or straightfowardly masculine. Being able to duke things out with brute force was considered the honorable thing, and Loki had to be the schemer, the quick-thinker and fast-talker, because he couldn't win on pure muscle. These days, relying on intelligence would be considered a sympathetic, valid approach. It's a type, a trope. But in the value system of the Norse, it was seen as a sneaky, inferior way. And Loki spent the better part of the stories that mention him at all illustrating what a real warrior wouldn't do, and getting teased and denigrated for it. The most famous story with him and Thor actually involves both of them crossdressing and doing things the way Loki's ingenuity dictates, but going along with what Loki considers a good idea is always portrayed as a last resort. (As in, if your adversary is not giving you the option of a fair fight, you consult the only god who is dishonorable.) In the apocalypse scenario of the Norse, Loki has become more and more estranged from the other gods, is horribly punished for that, and ends up leading their enemies into battle and being destroyed - along with most of the gods and the world as they knew it.
Long digression, but my point is that, had Freya and Odin been Loki's parents (in the original, he was Odin's half-brother) ... I can see them not having any idea how to make him feel valued or welcomed. Everything about him really flies in the face of how a Norse god was supposed to act and be. Whereas Thor embodied those things to a T. Even with the best of intentions, how do you support a child who has completely different values, strengths, weaknesses, and feelings? He wouldn't have been any more of a misfit if he'd been openly gay. But it's about that level of "I don't understand, but I love you, regardless" that Loki would have needed, as a bare minimum, from his parents. And that's a minimal level of friendship and loyalty that really, he didn't have with anybody. So when he saved the god's necks in an unconventional way (there were many stories with this theme) they were more likely to laugh at how he'd done it than ever say "you know what? Thanks, man. We owe you one." Eventually, he stopped feeling like they were his family at all.
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(Anonymous) 2012-09-16 08:42 am (UTC)(link)This is one of the things that really annoys me about Avengers fandom. Marvel Loki is not Norse Loki, and you really can't use things from the latter to explain or justify the former. They're completely different entities.