[ SECRET POST #2081 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2081 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Paul Ryan / Matthew Morrison]


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[The Incredible Hulk]


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[inuyasha and mobile suit gundam]


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[My Chemical Romance]


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[The Closer/Major Crimes]


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[Perception]


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[The Circle/ The Engelsfors Trilogy]


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[The Shoes-Time To Dance (official music video)]


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[UC Gundam]


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[Friends]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 017 secrets from Secret Submission Post #297.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 1 - repeat ], [ 1 - posted twice ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Agreeing with the comment somewhere above, I always thought that was Bruce's attempt to explain the transformations away to himself. Every transformation we actually see in that movie happens when Bruce is terrified and angry and under physical threat. There are a bundle of physical reactions to fear and anger, spiking heartrate among them (though the actual number is still pretty stupid, I think). I tend to think Bruce, who is very obviously seriously in denial the whole movie, decided subconsciously to confuse correlation with causation and hang his transformations on a physical trigger that was much, much easier to control and admit to than the stew of anger and fear he didn't want to be feeling.

And the actual movie, no matter what Bruce actually says, doesn't really disagree with that. Again, all the actual onscreen transformations are very obviously from fear and anger (and imminent death, that one time). When he and Betty are about to have sex, and the heart-monitor trips, we don't see Bruce even start to transform, we just see his paranoia that he might, leading him to immediately call it off. There's actually no -evidence- given in the movie that the heartrate thing in general is anything more than Bruce's paranoia.

The denial is equally obvious and drawn attention to the whole movie - Bruce just wants the problem to go away, he doesn't want to admit the Hulk is even him, the one time he actually flips out a little and shuts Betty down is when she very gently tries to point out to him that the Hulk might, in fact, actually still be him. The major change at the end of the movie isn't that he's suddenly gotten a miracle cure, it's that he's finally realised there isn't one, and has started to move towards some kind of internal acceptance of the situation, which would seem to indicate that his problem really was never physical, but psychological/emotional. Add in the fact that Avengers is counted in continuity, and therefore its explanations carry equal weight to this movie's, and it does actually make sense (... okay, with some fudging, yes, and a little la-la-la-la, and we'll pointedly ignore the numbers).

Considering that Bruce is both a scientist and something of a control freak, the fact that he tried to hang a physical, understandable, controllable explanation over the fact that all his issues had literally just been painted day-glo green and paraded violently and visibly for all and sundry was probably ... somewhat understandable -_-;

Which, okay, they really ought to have actually explained at some point, but given that the movie was largely from Bruce's POV (the voiceovers are his, and he's the only one who's actually been studying his own condition and how it functions) most of the time, possibly we couldn't until he figured the damn thing out.

... Yes, rationalising plot holes is a hobby of mine. Can you tell?

[intrigueing]

This is actually a great explanation that makes loads of sense! I can totally see Bruce being all clinically detached and scientific and in denial about the idea that he has anger issues that are the reason the Hulk is angry all the time.

Also, what with the way the movieverse version of the experiment was linked to Captain America's super soldier serum, and the explanation in CA that whatever's inside is amplified (so Schmidt -> supervillain, Steve -> superhero), I wonder how that ties into Bruce -> rage monster.

(I LOVE explaining plot holes too :))

[(Anonymous)]

*nods* You kinda can't blame the man for not wanting to acknowledge that that amount of rage lived inside him, particularly since anger is one emotion that typically destroys control, which is something Bruce appears to value (though, chicken-and-egg, there).

And the serum ... that does seem to be borne out with Blonsky, too. Though he got two different versions of it before becoming the Abomination, so it's hard to tell for sure, but his bloodlust and fighting spirit obviously carried over between forms. Given then that three of the four seem to bear it out ... Bruce was apparently always carrying quite a lot of anger around. Or ... *frowns* Possibly less anger specifically, and more that Bruce has just always been a lot more emotional than he typically allows himself to be, and its the raw emotionality that's been nitro-boosted by the serum during the transformations?

The Hulk is complicated compared to all the others, though, because it's a temporay transformation while all three of the others were permanent. And the precise interaction of gamma radiation appears to be unique (gamma is considered mostly harmless elsewhere in the universe, so Bruce appears to have been a unique case all 'round).

... This is why you don't play with chemicals in comic books, people. Steve lucked out, because Erskine was a genius and deliberately vetted the him to be able to handle the psychological effects of the procedure. (Which, incidentally, appears to validate the idea that it's the person's emotions/character that's important more than their physicality - Steve physically speaking is not a good test subject for a body altering serum, because his physical weakness probably should have drastically increased the chances that the stress of transformation would kill him outright. So character (possibly brain chemistry?) seems to matter more than physicality all round.

*muses* And, um, I'll shut up now.

[intrigueing]

lol, I'd be a huge hypocrite if I ever told someone their comments were too tl;dr :D Plus, your comments are actually insightful analysis, so they deserve to be long ;)