[ SECRET POST #2081 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2081 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Paul Ryan / Matthew Morrison]


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[The Incredible Hulk]


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[inuyasha and mobile suit gundam]


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[My Chemical Romance]


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[The Closer/Major Crimes]


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[Perception]


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[The Circle/ The Engelsfors Trilogy]


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[The Shoes-Time To Dance (official music video)]


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[UC Gundam]


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[Friends]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 017 secrets from Secret Submission Post #297.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 1 - repeat ], [ 1 - posted twice ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

07. http://i.imgur.com/xkMFK.jpg
[The Incredible Hulk]

[forgottenjester]

I understood their need to tie the Hulk transformation to something more physical but I agree.

I like the transformations being specifically triggered by anger. I mean, that's why he's a giant, green, rage monster. Not a giant, green, heart monitor.

[lunabee34]

Heeee. You made me *g*

[(Anonymous)]

other physical reactions can be triggered by anger, such as tears or increased heart rate or any variety of things. the hulk transformation being triggered by anger could be perfectly logical.

(lol'd at giant green heart monitor)

[cure_light]

Yeah I see where they're coming from, too, but it was pretty unnecessary. I think most people can suspend their disbelief enough to not need a specific reason for why he turns into a rage monster.
It's a little like explaining the Force away with Midi-chlorians. We don't need a physical reason. The Force just part of the universe that you buy into when you watch Star Wars.

I feel like this trend in movies of trying to explain absolutely everything hurts the believability more than it helps it.

[b_dangerous]

I always thought of it as a misconception of Bruce's in the film-- like it's a theory Bruce had that he was running with. Except the Hulk exists in his mind, and the "heart rate" theory was just psychosomatic.

At least that's the impression I got from the last shot of the film, where he has some grasp on it and smiles. Plus, it's supported by the whole "I'm always angry" free transform in Avengers. It also supports your fact that it's more about the physical triggers rather than just "heart rate."

[(Anonymous)]

Now I'm kind of glad I never got around to seeing The Incredible Hulk. That is incredibly lame.

[forgottenjester]

The movie is nice to watch if you have a friend to snark at it together the whole time.

It's kind of just a big bag of "blah" otherwise.

[intrigueing]

I never understood why they had to make it a physical trigger. Why? To make it more realistic? When you're writing about a guy who transforms into a giant green rage monster and breaks like 3765 laws of physics in the process, I think you ought to really just throw out the realism and try for emotional relatability instead.

On second thought, maybe they just threw in that explanation in order to make that chase scene in Brazil suspenseful, because seeing the numerals on a heart-rate monitor slowly inching upwards is more vivid than seeing a guy slowly getting angrier? But that just leads right back to the problem of the movie -- Bruce had so little emotional depth, which is really a big problem in a movie about a character who is supposed to be all about peoples' emotional sides and demons and mental states.

If they could have pulled off that chase scene in a way for the audience to see him getting escalatingly angrier and angrier until he snapped, like the scene in the Avengers where it was one thing on top of another until he was in the middle of a shouting match, and you could see his self-composure crumble after being tipped over the edge by the explosion, that would've been so cool.

[(Anonymous)]

When you're writing about a guy who transforms into a giant green rage monster and breaks like 3765 laws of physics in the process, I think you ought to really just throw out the realism and try for emotional relatability instead.

lol ia. he was created in some kind of weird gamma ray explosion and somehow this leads to roaring angry monster transformation and ...

... why would people even try to get logic out of that

[spicandspan89.livejournal.com]

This. Tbf his emotions were shown to result in an elevated heart rate, such as in the aborted love scene. (Although... sex resulting in that high of a heart rate? Um, okay.)

As you said, trying to have any biological realism in this case is pretty ridiculous. I wish it had been more like the other prequels, where Tony's tech, Steve's physical transformation, and Asgard's magic/science is glossed over. It's not Nolanverse; it doesn't need to be gritty and real.

[(Anonymous)]

I'll just ignore it regardless. :)

[spicandspan89.livejournal.com]

ME TOO. If your heart rate is over 200? Yeah, you're redlining dude.

OTOH, this movie also featured red blood cells becoming engulfed in some sort of green slime when he hulked out so IDEK.

[insanenoodlyguy]

That was gamma radiation becoming visible as his cells began releasing it during the change (comic book science, YEAHHHH)

[terabient]

The red blood cells getting slimed was like my favorite part of the movie just because it was such a bad idea.

in a movie full of ill-advised ideas, that was the best? worst.

[(Anonymous)]

Aren't you basically about to die if your heart rate hits 200? Or at least about to have some massive cardiac event?

Should I watch this movie?

[(Anonymous)]

IDC if there's stuff like this that are stupid or lame, but are there enjoyable parts that would make the movie worth watching despite the flaws (like Thor)? Or is it just boring and unlikable? I've watched all the other pre-Avengers MCU movies and I don't want to be deprived of important background info...

Re: Should I watch this movie?

[spicandspan89.livejournal.com]

Hmm... I personally found it boring but I wouldn't say unlikeable. I didn't find Bruce's character very compelling. General Ross, the antagonist, was a one-note dickwad who didn't give a rat's ass if his own daughter lived or died. It felt like the entire movie was missing the ~pizazz or something IDK.

YMMV however. Watching it yourself is the only way to know for sure.

Re: Should I watch this movie?

[insanenoodlyguy]

A lot here are saying otherwise, but I rather loved it. I took it for the fun ride that it was and enjoyed all the little references to the 1970's tv series.

Re: Should I watch this movie?

[intrigueing]

I found it mildly enjoyable in a "watch-it-on-TV-if-there's-nothing-else-on" way. But Norton!Bruce was personally very dull and uninteresting to me (no knocks on Norton -- I blame the writers for not giving him anything non-plot-related to say) and...nothing really important or meaningful happened. There was no reason to care about the story. It was just a guy running from the military looking for a cure and then running from the military looking for a cure with his girlfriend and then fighting a monster before running again, while the military acted like boring evil tools. Blah. Also, forever bitter that there was no Rick Jones in it.

And...it didn't really have much of an impact on The Avengers. Ruffalo!Bruce is very different from Norton!Bruce so the character establishment isn't important. There IS a bonus scene at the end teasing the Avengers Initiative that probably had viewers intrigued back in 2008 but is pointless now (and is much funnier and cooler when it's viewed as part of the Marvel one-shot "The Consultant" anyway). Bruce's line in the Avengers about breaking Harlem is a reference to the movie's final battle. His suicide confession is a reference to a deleted scene. His ability to kind-of control the Hulk is given some precedent. And there's a sequel hook involving Samuel Sterns/The Leader, but that's a moot point atm and will probably only come into play if another Hulk movie gets greenlit.

I'd say the best thing about the movie was all the little continuity nods to the comics and what I assume was the Bill Bixby TV show (never watched it so I wouldn't know for sure). And the way the origin story/backstory was delivered in the opening credits sequence.

Re: Should I watch this movie?

[darkmanifest]

For me, I went into it hoping for a giant green unstoppable rage monster smashing the absolute shit out of everything in over-the-top terrifying and impressive fashion and I got it. Those scenes were all just so much fun. As a bonus, I even got him in a fight with another rage monster and they fucking broke Harlem, which was basically all I ever wanted for Christmas. Plus it had quality actors, even if the characters were a little shallow, an okay script, and a healthy smattering of humor and drama, making the breaks between Hulk Smash fine enough. If you're looking for much more than that, though, probably not the movie for you.

[tabaqui]

YES. I mean - he can't run or have really energetic sex or *anything*. That's just stupid.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm still wondering how Bruce keeps his pants when he Hulks out.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreeing with the comment somewhere above, I always thought that was Bruce's attempt to explain the transformations away to himself. Every transformation we actually see in that movie happens when Bruce is terrified and angry and under physical threat. There are a bundle of physical reactions to fear and anger, spiking heartrate among them (though the actual number is still pretty stupid, I think). I tend to think Bruce, who is very obviously seriously in denial the whole movie, decided subconsciously to confuse correlation with causation and hang his transformations on a physical trigger that was much, much easier to control and admit to than the stew of anger and fear he didn't want to be feeling.

And the actual movie, no matter what Bruce actually says, doesn't really disagree with that. Again, all the actual onscreen transformations are very obviously from fear and anger (and imminent death, that one time). When he and Betty are about to have sex, and the heart-monitor trips, we don't see Bruce even start to transform, we just see his paranoia that he might, leading him to immediately call it off. There's actually no -evidence- given in the movie that the heartrate thing in general is anything more than Bruce's paranoia.

The denial is equally obvious and drawn attention to the whole movie - Bruce just wants the problem to go away, he doesn't want to admit the Hulk is even him, the one time he actually flips out a little and shuts Betty down is when she very gently tries to point out to him that the Hulk might, in fact, actually still be him. The major change at the end of the movie isn't that he's suddenly gotten a miracle cure, it's that he's finally realised there isn't one, and has started to move towards some kind of internal acceptance of the situation, which would seem to indicate that his problem really was never physical, but psychological/emotional. Add in the fact that Avengers is counted in continuity, and therefore its explanations carry equal weight to this movie's, and it does actually make sense (... okay, with some fudging, yes, and a little la-la-la-la, and we'll pointedly ignore the numbers).

Considering that Bruce is both a scientist and something of a control freak, the fact that he tried to hang a physical, understandable, controllable explanation over the fact that all his issues had literally just been painted day-glo green and paraded violently and visibly for all and sundry was probably ... somewhat understandable -_-;

Which, okay, they really ought to have actually explained at some point, but given that the movie was largely from Bruce's POV (the voiceovers are his, and he's the only one who's actually been studying his own condition and how it functions) most of the time, possibly we couldn't until he figured the damn thing out.

... Yes, rationalising plot holes is a hobby of mine. Can you tell?

[intrigueing]

This is actually a great explanation that makes loads of sense! I can totally see Bruce being all clinically detached and scientific and in denial about the idea that he has anger issues that are the reason the Hulk is angry all the time.

Also, what with the way the movieverse version of the experiment was linked to Captain America's super soldier serum, and the explanation in CA that whatever's inside is amplified (so Schmidt -> supervillain, Steve -> superhero), I wonder how that ties into Bruce -> rage monster.

(I LOVE explaining plot holes too :))