[ SECRET POST #2084 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2084 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

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Comments

[pts]

I must not understand what other people think of when they hear "boy scout" used as a pejorative.

Because I think Cap is a total boy scout. He's a good old-fashioned American lad ready to do his bit for God and Country. That doesn't mean he bows to authority all the time -- if anything, it means he's a ridiculous idealist possessed of an infuriating sense of duty, honor, and patriotism, and will always try to Do The Right Thing, even when it's Really Hard.

I dunno, man. I think Captain America is basically a boy scout writ large.

[nyxelestia]

I guess it depends on how you perceive boy scouts? I actually recently read a prompt for a fic in which Steve doesn't like being called a boy scout because every time he looks it up in the modern world, most of the news about it is attaching it to somewhat bigoted ideals.

Also, the fact that he doesn't bow to authority, to some people, is what might disqualify him from being a proverbial boy scout.

I and most of the people I know have always associated "boy scout" with "boring do-gooder with little to no personality and never thinking for themselves". Of course, that's not really what being a boy scout is about, and Steve isn't really anything like that. It's just the association both of them have.

I think Captain America is basically a boy scout writ large.

Yeah, Captain America is totally a stereotypical boy scout character.

Steve Rogers? Not so much.

That's what makes him so interesting. :)

[pts]

Steve Rogers jumping on that grenade was about the boy-scoutiest thing I've ever seen, is what I'm trying to get at.

But if this secret and its attendant discussion has shown me anything, it's that my perceptions of what the pejorative use of "boy scout" implies differ quite a lot from what other people seem to think of.

[nyxelestia]

my perceptions of what the pejorative use of "boy scout" implies

I'm curious - what are your perceptions exactly? I've never thought about it too much, but modern company-wide bigotry and detailed contextual associations aside, I always saw it as "good to a fault/too good in the literal sense".

[stainless]

This is exactly what I think of him, too. I think being that way has pros and cons, and it's not an insult inherently.

I don't follow Avengers fic though, and I could see people exaggerating that personality and making him inhumanly goody-goody or so hidebound it makes no sense. That, I'm not sure is called for.

But the guy is pretty clearly Lawful Good. So that's what he'd default to, I'd think. (Though, again, I'm not in that fandom so I'm sure there are some nuances I miss.)

[ecoerrante]

It's typically used as an insult in the same sense as 'goody goody two shoes'. Namely, that someone is so good that they're bland and follow rules to the point of being completely boring and even annoying.

Which Steve really...doesn't do. Granted, when he breaks the rules it's to Do The Right Thing, so it may still count on some people's eyes...but eh.