[ SECRET POST #2084 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2084 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, he's not very boy scout-ish in the movies, but I think people automatically assume he's like that because he's a lot more boy scout-ish in the comics? At least that's what I've heard. I don't really know that comics that well though, so I could be wrong, but it seems that in the comics he's basically the most upstanding and least loose-canon superhero in the community.

[(Anonymous)]

Nah, he was somewhat flawed in the comics as well (although not as rebellious), but in the comics, the thing is that the writers/editors were so obsessed with the idea that Captain America had to be perfect, they would rarely allow the characters or narrative to call him anything less than perfect even during the times he was acting like a douche.

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ayrt

...wow really? You mean when he does something douchey all the characters agree with him even if the reader doesn't, or the characters disagree but they're painted as wrong?

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ayrt

I've seen both, but the former is easier to pin down.

Well, one example that stuck out because of how fail-y the protagonist-centered morality was done is when there was a time in the late '70s right around the Korvac Saga where Iron Man was the new leader of the Avengers (long story that I only half-remember), while Cap was kind of in a bad place because he had lost his temporary super-strength (not the super-soldier super-strength, a bigger power-up than that which happened around the Nomad storyline) and had been unhelpful or screwing up in fights recently.

And Cap was basically a giant tool to Iron Man because Iron Man really wasn't as good a leader as Cap used to be, and Cap was constantly attacking him and throwing personal insults and undermining him at every turn and cutting off his orders to tell the Avengers what to do himself and blaming him for everything (kinda like how Hawkeye always treated Cap, but worse). And in the comics Cap and Iron Man were really close friends too, it's not like they had a history of conflicting that hard like in the film.

But it basically got to the point where Cap started blaming Iron Man for shit that was totally Gyrich's fault and they got into a big fat argument and Cap actually punched him in the face and called him a mercenary for working for Stark (this was before Cap knew Tony was Iron Man) and kept ranting until the Scarlet Witch waded in and yelled at Cap and told him he was only mad because he was doing such a crap job of fighting recently, upon which Cap basically quit the Avengers and stalked off to sulk.

But even though the only thing Tony did wrong was not be that great a leader, of course ~Captain America~ couldn't be wrong because that would be the end of the universe, so of course it was Iron Man who went crawling to Steve on his hands and knees apologizing and blaming himself and promising to do better and begging him to come back and to be his friend again and even offering to reveal his secret identity if that would make Steve trust him more, while Cap went "oh, well, I'm sorry for overreacting. Sure I'll be friends again" in the space of like three panels, and then was suddenly all nice and friendly and badass for the rest of the story.

Now, having a nice character go through a phase where they act like a giant bag of dicks can make for a really great story, but I'd still like the comic to acknowledge how big a bag of dicks they were, even if they're supposed to be a really nice character. Not just because it's annoying, but because letting Cap acknowledge he was being a douche just made him look like a petty diva and made Tony look like a kicked dog, and I don't want Cap to look like that. I would think Cap would be the sort to admit when he's wrong, not play chicken with his team mate for their friendship.