[ SECRET POST #2084 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2084 ⌋

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Comments

[nyxelestia]

Captain America is a stereotypical boyscout character.

Steve is...not.

That's what makes him so fun.

It's actually a pretty interesting analogy when you look into it. There are two sides to the Boy Scouts - there's the amalgamation of positive ideals they hold high (duty, honor, loyalty, honesty...), but there's also the "side effects", the negative associations they often come with (blind obedience, bigotry, ect).

Captain America is very much meant to be the embodiment of all those positive ideals of the Boy Scouts. And Captain America gets associated with all those side-effect/negative traits in the same manner that the Boy Scouts ended up with those associations, too. In a sense, Captain America and the Boy Scouts in this context are ideals, rather than actual concepts.

Meanwhile, Steve both represents the Boy Scouts from the opposite angle, and subverts it. He tries to be a Boy Scout type, just as most actual Boy Scouts try to live up to those positive ideals. Doesn't mean they always succeed. The BSA certainly has plenty of fuck-ups to their name. And while it isn't exactly comparable, Steve also has many traits that don't quite follow the "boy scout" ideal - he'll absolutely defy authority, he can be sneaky or cruel when he tries, and it's obvious he considers the caricature of Captain America as a very separate entity from himself, and as much as 'dancing monkey' as most of the armed forces apparently did before he went and rescued a few hundred POWs from behind enemy lines - as much as he might like the idea, he considers living up to that kind of pressure and idealism constantly to be bullshit, something which in theory no real boy scout would.

/waxing philosophic

[fae_boleyn]

Yes, yes, this regarding Steve Rogers not being the same as Captain America. I've always gotten the distinct impression that Steve does not see himself as Captain America at all - Captain America is a part of him but it's a persona he puts on, a role he plays. (There's something very... ironic/sardonic to his tone, in the way he asks Bucky, "So, you ready to follow Captain America into the jaws of death?") I think it's yet another issue he has in Avengers - either he's completely out of place in a world where he doesn't fit but has to hide that, or he's with people who know but to them he's Cap.

Your theory on Steve/Cap representing the two sides of the Boy Scouts coin is interesting - all I really know about the Boy Scouts is my friend got to go on much cooler field trips than my Girl Scout troop ever did, lol.

[nyxelestia]

Ugh, the fact that the Boy Scouts got to do so much cooler stuff is pretty much the top reason I left Girl Scouts early on as a kid. >.< I joined them to go camping, damnit, not learn how to make dresses! *still sore about it even 10 years later*

And I tend to go on philosophical tangents about the Avengers often. *hides under rock*

[fae_boleyn]

We, at least, did not learn how to make dresses - then again, I only made it through Brownies before moving sent it all out of whack. I had fun with 'em when I was there, but it was a lot of arts and crafts, as I recall, and the occasional sleepover. The highlight was the ice-skating trip, lol.

Philosophical tangents are never a bad thing - you should have seen my meta during the Inception heyday. :) I'm kinda tempted to do some for Avengers - probably on Steve and PTSD and suchlike if I do it.

[nyxelestia]

Dooooo it. :D