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⌈ Secret Post #2093 ⌋

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I made the Loki/Eric ones admittedly, I didn't do this one.

I don't even watch Weeds and from what I've read most people acknowledge that Nancy is a bad person and don't woobify her like they do to Eric and Loki so I wouldn't make one even if I did watch it.

You made both of those? You could make some kind of big political statement out of this habit of yours. WHO WILL YOU COMPARE TO WALTER WHITE NEXT???

SPIKE IS A RAPIST AND A MURDERER AND LITERALLY HAS NO SOUL, AND YET EVERYONE SYMPATHISES WITH HIM. BUT ONCE AGAIN, POOR WALTER WHITE FACES THE HISSES AND BOOS OF ABOUT TEN PEOPLE (MAX) ON FANDOM SECRETS.

Don't know if you're being sarcastic but yeah that's kinda true.

That reminds me of this Spuffy fan on Tumblr who thinks Bill Compton is evil.

Well, he did kill Max's partner. You'd expect him to be pissed.

I LOLed, anon.

I'm dying at the image of Max sockpuppeting from meth heaven

Hmm... maybe Christopher Columbus, who has his own national holiday despite massacring innocent people for gold. That's random enough, I think. :D

Also, he inaccurately estimated the size of the world and never figured out he hadn't reached Asia.

Trolls ruining the mystery again.

If you were going to admit something, you should have said you made this one also to irritate the OP.

Who said it was my intention to troll?

Pretty much everyone in the Loki/Walter and Dude From True Blood/Walter threads.

Was that a rhetorical question? Obviously you were trolling with those ridiculous comparisons.

I was half-serious with the Loki one but no I was pretty serious with the Eric comparison. I think fandom loving one irredeemably horrible person while condemning another is a pretty valid point.

But it's comparing apples to oranges really. Two different shows, two different mythologies, two different fanbases. Yes, people like Eric or Spike because they have little bits of character that make them enjoyable. Things that make them sympathetic, sexy, funny, likable, whatever; it is purposefully done by the showrunners so that viewers will love to hate them.

Gilligan is purposefully writing Walt to go on this moral and ethical decline. Where everything that used to be "sympathetic" about him is being eroded away with each episode. Yes, in early seasons, people felt bad for him; a guy in a desperate situation who resorts to desperate measures. However, as time goes on, that sympathy gets washed away. So much in fact that when you rewatch earlier episodes, you actually view him differently and react differently to his choices.

+1000

I'm inconsistent about which morally-terrible characters I do/don't like -- my feelings are normally influenced pretty heavily by idiosyncratic things like exactly what their motivations are, how well I respond to the actor, etc -- so in general I find "People like X but not Y, that's wrong!" an invalid complaint that overlooks the power of specifics.

But at least when you're complaining within a single story or even genre there's SOME common basis of comparison, and I can see why it would be annoying to see villain A based while villain B is loved, or whatever. But True Blood vs. Breaking Bad? Not exactly the same kind of narrative happening!

Part of it with Walter is that unlike a Norse god or a vampire he's got this singular life in which to make choices. At the point where he clearly sees the possibility of dying right before him, he acts without conscience.

But I think the dislike of Walter is often overstated. He's a character you dislike BECAUSE you like him at some point in the beginning. Because he is written to be someone you see going through pain and suffering so there's a sympathy/empathy that forms. But then, after that sympathy/empathy, you are forced to watch him have none for anyone else.

Which to be fair is excellent crafting of a villainous character. Usually you're dropped in after someone is deemed evil by everyone else and so when they do things that express care for someone else, as the viewer you reward this expression because it is how villains redeem themselves.

Walter is a lot more like the villains we know in our personal lives, the ones we give our faith, compassion and love to but receive the opposite and/or worse.

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