[ SECRET POST #2093 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2093 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 063 secrets from Secret Submission Post #299.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - ships it ], [ 1 - posted twice ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

Re: Other OP

[fingalsanteater]

Trolls ruining the mystery again.

If you were going to admit something, you should have said you made this one also to irritate the OP.

Re: Other OP

[(Anonymous)]

Who said it was my intention to troll?

Re: Other OP

[fingalsanteater]

Pretty much everyone in the Loki/Walter and Dude From True Blood/Walter threads.

Was that a rhetorical question? Obviously you were trolling with those ridiculous comparisons.

Re: Other OP

[(Anonymous)]

I was half-serious with the Loki one but no I was pretty serious with the Eric comparison. I think fandom loving one irredeemably horrible person while condemning another is a pretty valid point.

Re: Other OP

[ellie_oops]

But it's comparing apples to oranges really. Two different shows, two different mythologies, two different fanbases. Yes, people like Eric or Spike because they have little bits of character that make them enjoyable. Things that make them sympathetic, sexy, funny, likable, whatever; it is purposefully done by the showrunners so that viewers will love to hate them.

Gilligan is purposefully writing Walt to go on this moral and ethical decline. Where everything that used to be "sympathetic" about him is being eroded away with each episode. Yes, in early seasons, people felt bad for him; a guy in a desperate situation who resorts to desperate measures. However, as time goes on, that sympathy gets washed away. So much in fact that when you rewatch earlier episodes, you actually view him differently and react differently to his choices.

Re: Other OP

[agnes_bean]

+1000

I'm inconsistent about which morally-terrible characters I do/don't like -- my feelings are normally influenced pretty heavily by idiosyncratic things like exactly what their motivations are, how well I respond to the actor, etc -- so in general I find "People like X but not Y, that's wrong!" an invalid complaint that overlooks the power of specifics.

But at least when you're complaining within a single story or even genre there's SOME common basis of comparison, and I can see why it would be annoying to see villain A based while villain B is loved, or whatever. But True Blood vs. Breaking Bad? Not exactly the same kind of narrative happening!

Re: Other OP

[(Anonymous)]

Part of it with Walter is that unlike a Norse god or a vampire he's got this singular life in which to make choices. At the point where he clearly sees the possibility of dying right before him, he acts without conscience.

But I think the dislike of Walter is often overstated. He's a character you dislike BECAUSE you like him at some point in the beginning. Because he is written to be someone you see going through pain and suffering so there's a sympathy/empathy that forms. But then, after that sympathy/empathy, you are forced to watch him have none for anyone else.

Which to be fair is excellent crafting of a villainous character. Usually you're dropped in after someone is deemed evil by everyone else and so when they do things that express care for someone else, as the viewer you reward this expression because it is how villains redeem themselves.

Walter is a lot more like the villains we know in our personal lives, the ones we give our faith, compassion and love to but receive the opposite and/or worse.