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A Knight's Tale.

....yeah, I admit it, I love everything about this movie. It's cheesy, it's completely historically inaccurate, it's essentially nothing more than blatant fanservice for teenage females done in a style that feels like the 90's even though it was released in 2001. It makes no excuses for what it is, and what it IS is pandering to people whose knowledge of the middle ages comes entirely from having been to a Renaissance Festival ever in their lives.

And it's fucking awesome and just totally lifts my mood and makes me laugh every time I see it. Mainly because of Paul Bettany but I feel like all of the main character actors gave good, entertaining performances, even though they were hammy as a pork processing plant. It just WORKS for me.

Also--

Mulan - Completely rapes history and disrespects legit Chinese culture, especially by inserting Eddie Murphy into it, but as a genderqueer drag king, I can't help falling for Disney's cheap, low-blow, punch-to-the-gut EFFECTIVE emotional manipulation, especially when she does that song about her reflection. sdkjfhbvsdjkfghbvsdfg fuck you disney stop being able to make me cry. >:| And then I feel guilty for liking and relating to it because I'm a descendent of Italian farmers, Russian bootleggers, and Czech/Romanian gypsies, I know pretty much exactly shit-all about Chinese history or culture, and I don't even like Chinese food. Mulan shouldn't be MY princess. But there's this stupid little kid inside me that sees her and goes "....someone kind of gets me. I HAVE A ROLE MODEL!"

A Knight's Tale is an awesome movie and I don't care who knows it. That's not a guilty pleasure, that's just good filmmaking. Despite its obvious flaws. It's just a fun movie, and if you can't get behind a movie as fun as A Knight's Tale, I don't want to know you.

"WILLLLLLIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM!"

Agreed on all counts. The movie has a rock music soundtrack, for Pete's sake. It's not even trying to be historically accurate.

I don't know, I kind of like the theory behind the soundtrack - the idea being that historically accurate music doesn't have the same kind of meaning to us that it would have had at the time, whereas rock music does. I like that there's at least some thought behind it.

And let's be honest. The soundtrack is rad.

I didn't know the rationale for the soundtrack! Cool. And it is a great soundtrack.

I agree -- I like that concept, and I do believe that in that sense it is accurate. PSYCHOLOGICALLY accurate. People back then were not different than us in any significant way. Their rock music just sounded like weird harpsichord shit, but the reaction and interaction and inspiration was the same.

Yeah.

I mean, I don't think it's PRECISELY accurate because rock music is tied up with a lot of modern concepts of popular culture and adolescence and change and progress. But I still think it's a good reminder that these were people, living breathing people, not aliens or storybook cutouts. It a little more life, I think. It's cool.

I think there have always been movements tied to those same concepts in the arts throughout human history, all over the world. I can't name them... for the most part, I don't think ANYONE can, since so much of every culture's history of folklore and music has always been passed on without any sort of written record, and few cultures have ever had any concept of intentional preservation of crafts or artwork until relatively recently. We can see through recordings of the past 100 years or so that every generation seems to come up with movements in the arts that reflect attitudes of change and progress and rebellion and the next generation carving out their own identities... but it's literally impossible to show how far back that pattern goes, or which cultures have shown a greater or lesser tendency towards that kind of expression in their music or language or fashion styles...

It's my theory that if we COULD find records, if anyone really purposefully looked for that evidence, we would find it. Because the differences between people today and people 10,000 years ago are all superficial. We have more technology, better nutrition, better medicine, we structu`re our l`ives differently, but what we want, how we love, he way we express friendship, the way we feel loss and lust and grief and anger, the way we grow, the way we bond, the way we fight, the way we are always pushing to find and make and express something bigger, something louder, something that belongs to us in a way hat is uniquely ours and not taught or trained into us by our parents... that has NEVER changed. Take a homo sapien from any time period since the first one of us walked the earth, teach them how our culture expects them to behave, teach them to read and write, and they will be indistinguishable from any of us.

And if they were in, oh, their mid 20's or early 30's, given enough time to be exposed to this century's media, they'd probably instinctively understand the roots of those changes in how we express ourselves, and I bet they'd really like them some Guns n' Roses. ;)

That story about Mulan is so heartwarming <3

I love both of these movies. But then, I tend to forgive historical inaccuracies quite readily lol.

So do I. Which is another element of guilt. I'm majoring in historic preservation. I'm not SUPPOSED to approve of, accept, tolerate, or endorse historic inaccuracies. BUT GODDAMMIT THEY'RE SO FUCKING ENTERTAINING....

Haha I can imagine! Whereas the only knowledge of accurate history I have was gleaned from my former history-major roommate. ~~And Wikipedia.~~

For all the bad, Mulan is my favourite disney movie because my inner childhood was so happy at having a kickass girl to admire.

Mulan isn't even something to feel guilty about. It's pretty fab through and through, and it almost always leads to a sing-along.

Sometimes I think liking Disney's Hercules was supposed to be a guilty pleasure, but every time someone dissed it I'd kick their shins and tell them to shut up, Hercules was beautiful and awesome and FUN, DAFUQ ARE YOU TAWLKIN ABOUT

Edited 2012-09-27 10:22 (UTC)

Sometimes I think liking Disney's Hercules was supposed to be a guilty pleasure, but every time someone dissed it I'd kick their shins and tell them to shut up, Hercules was beautiful and awesome and FUN, DAFUQ ARE YOU TAWLKIN ABOUT

WHY COULDN'T GREEK MYTHOLOGY BE THAT WAY?
Up to this day I still get angry whenever I read Greek myths about Zeus or Hera because I can't help but compare their mythical personalities to the Disney personalities ~~and romantic life~~

I know I'm somehow doing it wrong but there you have it. .____.

Wait, wait, wait. We're supposed to not like Knight's tale and Mulan? I thought everyone liked Mulan. And Knight's tale was a good movie. What.

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