[ SECRET POST #2095 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2095 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

04. http://i.imgur.com/yz3Cb.png

[unicornherds]

I only ever watch Adventure Time because of everybody.

But yeah, Princess Bubblegum is pretty rockin'.

I saw an article the other day talking about the girls=princesses in cartoons and lack of good role models for young girls and they used Princess Bubblegum as an example of that. I was so annoyed because obviously they never took the time to watch the show. Thankfully there were a lot of comments in support of PB and her awesomeness as a role model.

/tl;dr

[(Anonymous)]

princess MAD SCIENTIST, they mean

how can anyone overlook that aspect?

[sensualcoco.livejournal.com]

IRK? Not to mention the fact that many other cartoon princess are pretty much that so they have pretty dresses and marry princes.

But Bubblegum is actually shown leading and taking care of the candy people. So being a princess is actually a position of power for her.

[unicornherds]

And not to mention that in AT there are princesses of all kinds. I hate that someone took something that could be seen as showing girls that you can be a princess and be muscley or lumpy or sciency or whatever you want and tried to turn it into an example of bad role models for girls. There are so many horrible sources to use yet they manage to mangle this one.

[sensualcoco.livejournal.com]

You wouldn't happen to still have the link to that article?

[leikomgwtfbbq]

LUMPY SPACE PRINCESS :D

I love the Lumpy Space Princess!

[(Anonymous)]

OH MY GLOB. Lumpy Space Princess rocks!

[(Anonymous)]

I saw an article the other day talking about the girls=princesses in cartoons and lack of good role models for young girls and they used Princess Bubblegum as an example of that.

People shouldn't be allowed to analyze pop culture like that unless they actually are familiar with the media source.

I once read an article about how it's problematic to present sexy-pouty women in skimpy outfits and with no depth as empowering female role models just because they sling guns and yell at people. This is a trope I hate with a passion so I was really excited when I started reading. Problem was, they used Firefly - and specifically River of all people - as their main example. Serenity had just come out and the author clearly had never seen Firefly or Serenity as the only specifics they could give about why the movie was problematic for this reason was how River looked on the poster.

[unicornherds]

At least they didn't try to use Zoe? Ugh.

Yeah I was all over the article because I enjoy talking about feminism and problematic representations of women, particularly in children's media, but it was so disappointing. It was basically "anything with the title of Princess is obviously sexist and evil!" without actually looking at the source or, you know, characterization.

With so many problematic characters and sources out there it's just complete fail when people pull stuff like this.

[pts]

Out of curiosity, are you certain they didn't watch any of the actual show, or was that just the impression you got?

[sensualcoco.livejournal.com]

To be honest I think River was the least developed character on that show, but I don't remember any of her outfits being skimpy or sexual.

I mean if you wanted to talk about problems on that show I'd point to one of the last episodes where they had the black bounty hunter walking around the ship going "i'm gonna rape you".

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Yeah, it's not that you can't find anything problematic in Firefly, it's that it wasn't a good example of the issue the article was talking about. The movie poster is pretty much the only time River ever looks all sexified, so while she arguably lacked development, she didn't fit into the eye-candy bombshell "Strong Female Character" box that the article was railing against. It was very frustrating to see a position I agree with argued for very poorly with a show I liked being attacked for all the wrong reasons.

[pts]

I agree with you that Peebles much more interesting than her "Princess" title would lead one to guess without watching the show, but I still think there's a substantive criticism to be made of Adventure Time re: its aggressive princessing of most of its ladies.

Like, why are most of girls ALSO be princesses, when male characters can just be themselves?

Full disclosure: I fucking love Adventure Time. It just causes me to raise my eyebrows occasionally.

[nagaina]

It's suspect it's a subversive and snarktacular take on the whole Disney Princess Industrial Complex -- whereas Disney's princesses all conform to a certain definition of femininity, regardless of their individual levels of awesome or lack thereof, Adventure Time's princesses are actually extremely varied.

[(Anonymous)]

"Full disclosure: I fucking love Adventure Time. It just causes me to raise my eyebrows occasionally."

I seem to remember one episode where Finn said something along the lines of "don't flaunt it if you aren't going to give it up". Rape culture in my Adventure Time? Do not want.

[(Anonymous)]

'cause princesses are awesome

[escapedsnake911]

My favorite has to be her role in "Lady and Peebles". She kicks so much ass when she gets the spotlight to herself.